[davidjay]

Nastiest Tory I ever met was black.

Just sayin'...

There's certainly one way in which the Topries are the party of equal opportunity - black or white, male or female, they can all be equally cuntish.

[mattomac]

Nev must be gutted.

Anyhow nether are these are going shift any dial.

[Youngian]

Some commentary is suggesting Cleverly's team leant votes to Jenrick because he was easier to beat in the run off. Unfortunately, he didn't have enough votes to lend.

So want this to be true.

[Bones McCoy]

Classic Tories, giving away things they don't really own.

[Youngian]

Just heard a Tory bloke on Ian Dale’s show (can’t remember his name) suggesting, in all seriousness, that as soon as the new leader is in place, whether it’s Bad Enoch or Pugsley, they should immediately conduct a vote of confidence in themselves amongst the Tory Parliamentary Party, in order to establish their authority right from the start. He didn’t say what should happen if the new leader loses the vote.

Guessing he has Corbyn in mind. A leader voted in by the membership but few of the parliamentary party didn't turn out well.
Apparently Hague introduced the membership vote to prevent a candidate who was pro Euro like Clarke becoming leader.

[Crabcakes]

Apparently Hague introduced the membership vote to prevent a candidate who was pro Euro like Clarke becoming leader.

Well it *absolutely* worked, can’t fault him there

[Tubby Isaacs]

Apparently Hague introduced the membership vote to prevent a candidate who was pro Euro like Clarke becoming leader.

Think it was a Hague campaign promise, He beat Clarke fairly comfortably with MPs, so wasn't really necessary. Clarke did lead among MPs in 2001, but would have lost to IDS when the Portillo votes were taken into account.

[Watchman]

My only take - I give zero fucks about the Tory Party and its members - Cleverly going has stuffed Johnson’s chances of any form of comeback, as Cleverly was the only one he could bully into giving him something. Re the other 2, Farage will be thinking they might provide a foot in the door, but both are so full of themselves, they can’t stand anyone else in the limelight, and if they did have any conversation with Frogman, both parties would be spending all their time trying to shaft each other

[Arrowhead]

They’re screwed either way, aren’t they?

Gravitate to Farage and watch even more swathes of Southern England become Lib Dem amber. Push away Farage and they end up getting sucked into loads of ugly three-way dogfights vs Reform and Labour.

[Abernathy]

The Grauniad's editorial today offers a pretty accurate analysis :

The Guardian view on the Conservative leadership contest: normality is not on the ballot

f the purpose of a long Conservative leadership contest was to facilitate an audit of what caused July’s catastrophic general election defeat and identify a candidate who can steer the party to recovery, it has failed. The past three months of internal Tory debate have been characterised mostly by denial and retreat to dogmatic comfort zones. There is no reason to expect the final-round contest between Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick to change that dynamic. Both candidates draw their support from the radical right of the party and, while there have been differences of nuance and tone in their campaigns, neither has shown any interest in making the Conservative party more responsive to mainstream British public opinion.

Of the four candidates who addressed the recent Tory conference, it was James Cleverly who best summarised the challenge when he urged his party to “be more normal”. That would require recognition of what made the party not just unpopular but viscerally repugnant to millions of voters in July. Mr Cleverly’s parliamentary colleagues declined to put him on the final shortlist. Normality, as he might have defined it, will not be on the ballot paper sent to Conservative members.

Of the two remaining candidates, Ms Badenoch has shown marginally more awareness of the limits that practical government can impose on doctrine. She was a Brexit supporter, but as trade secretary she abandoned an unworkable deadline that would have created a regulatory vacuum as reams of European regulation simply expired. She has been comparatively restrained when it comes to demands that Britain quit the European court of human rights (ECHR), swerving the proposal as an “easy answer to a complex question”.

Mr Jenrick, by contrast, was a remain supporter in 2016 who has reinvented himself as a champion of his party’s illiberal fundamentalists. He has made abandoning the ECHR a centrepiece of his campaign, casting it with preposterous urgency as an existential question for Britain – “leave or die”. For Mr Jenrick, every analysis of why the Tories were ejected from power tends to the crass and cynical calculus of border control – the problem was promising fewer migrants and admitting too many. The message, in essence, is that the Conservatives need to compete with Nigel Farage’s Reform UK on the terrain of uncompromising, xenophobic nationalism.

That isn’t Ms Badenoch’s style. Her preferred mania is divisive culture-war provocation on matters of gender, race and history, with a sideline in hostility to the media. But her core concept for the future of Conservatism is economic. Specifically, she is convinced that growth, innovation and productivity are suffocated by the rise of something called “the bureaucratic class”. This aversion to a phantom burden of social protection on business is what provoked the assertion – promptly retracted after a backlash – that maternity pay in Britain is “excessive”.

None of this is original. Conservatives have been complaining about high rates of immigration, burdensome taxes and an overmighty state for generations. Those obsessions drove the party’s agenda in government for 14 years – and still they were evicted from office. The two candidates to lead the Conservatives in opposition represent different strands of the same failed ideological complex. Neither has shown a hint of contrition for a dismal record in office and neither looks fit to bring the party back to a position where it might once again be trusted to govern the country.

[Youngian]

The nightmare scenario for Labour is the 2016 Jenrick is the real Bob, embarks on a similar blood bath as Starmer against the maddies and starts talking about Norway and Switzerland.

[mattomac]

How does he last if he starts doing that?

Maybe his positions are just positions problem if they are people will start to not believe a word you say.

Tungehat could pull that off, if I’m honest if it comes from a Conservative it will be one who entered recently or who has yet to enter parliament.

The fact remains Labour can make that pivot easier but I assume it will be the person who steps up after Starmer.

[Abernathy]

Ian Dunt's view :

The Tories are embarked on an internecine battle of their extreme-right fringe. Badenoch is the manifestation of conservatism's most bizarre and inward-looking concerns; gender-neutral toilets, imaginary censorship of right-wing students, maternity pay, each outburst more baffling than the one before.
Her response to criticism and her attitude in broadcast interviews indicate someone who struggles to keep their calm in the face of scrutiny. This is like presenting a shard of kryptonite to journalists. If she becomes leader, they will spend the whole time trying to prod her into an outburst. And they will succeed.
Jenrick, on the other hand, is a lump of skin and flesh where a human should be, without a moral component to animate him.
As a former Remainer, he displays all the usual qualities of the late strategic convert. This is the man who ordered the painting over of a Disney mural at an asylum centre in case it gave the children any comfort, a decision even Nigel Farage blanched at. There's no moral floor to his behaviour because there is no moral component to his thought. He will simply say whatever he thinks is sensible to advance his position.
You can almost hear the champagne popping in Downing Street. Cleverly was the only real threat to Keir Starmer. He has now gone, a victim of the Tory descent into lunacy.

[mattomac]

Apparently Jenrick has said all Conservative MPs will have to sign up to a pledge to leave the ECHR.

I’m sorry but it’s laughable even the suggestion he becomes some kind of threat on the left of Labour regarding Europe.

That’s quasi fascism.

[Oboogie]

Jenrick or Badenoch, the affect will be to reaffirm to the EU that there's absolutely nothing to be gained by entering into renegotiations with the UK whilst there's a possibility one of them might form the next government.

[Abernathy]

Apparently Jenrick has said all Conservative MPs will have to sign up to a pledge to leave the ECHR.

I’m sorry but it’s laughable even the suggestion he becomes some kind of threat on the left of Labour regarding Europe.

That’s quasi fascism.

That’s the Boris Johnson playbook, isn’t it ? First thing Johnson did when he bagged the leadership was to kick out any and every MP that would not sign up to support his shite Brexit “deal”.

I think Labour could make more of highlighting what a cunt’s idea the UK abandoning the ECHR is. It’s volunteering to have fewer human rights .

[kreuzberger]

"White people don't need human rights, they have birth rights."

Said every newspaper in the fash camp.

[Abernathy]

Jenrick or Badenoch, the affect will be to reaffirm to the EU that there's absolutely nothing to be gained by entering into renegotiations with the UK whilst there's a possibility one of them might form the next government.

Very, very true. Which puts extra pressure on Starmer’s government to get everything right and make doubly sure that the Tories don’t ever get close to government again for the foreseeable future.

[slilley]

Apparently Jenrick has said all Conservative MPs will have to sign up to a pledge to leave the ECHR.

I’m sorry but it’s laughable even the suggestion he becomes some kind of threat on the left of Labour regarding Europe.

That’s quasi fascism.

As I have pointed out to a number of those upon the right who support Honest Bob, if you ditch the ECHR and he has said "Tony Blair's" Human Rights Act will go as well, what will you do about the Good Friday Agreement? The Human Rights Act is an integral part of the GFA which as I keep pointing out is an international treaty lodged with the UN and where the Republic of Ireland and the USA are signatory powers. They are bound to have a view on such a move. As yet I am yet to get much more than it is none of the Republic of Ireland and the USA's business and they can go swivel.

Such intellect.

Simon

[Rosvanian]

Apparently Jenrick has said all Conservative MPs will have to sign up to a pledge to leave the ECHR.

I’m sorry but it’s laughable even the suggestion he becomes some kind of threat on the left of Labour regarding Europe.

That’s quasi fascism.

As I have pointed out to a number of those upon the right who support Honest Bob, if you ditch the ECHR and he has said "Tony Blair's" Human Rights Act will go as well, what will you do about the Good Friday Agreement? The Human Rights Act is an integral part of the GFA which as I keep pointing out is an international treaty lodged with the UN and where the Republic of Ireland and the USA are signatory powers. They are bound to have a view on such a move. As yet I am yet to get much more than it is none of the Republic of Ireland and the USA's business and they can go swivel.

Such intellect.

Simon

The fact is, those right wing people know next to nothing about Northern Ireland and care even less.