[Youngian]

Didn’t Tarry gain the seat through alleged slippery voting skulduggery?

[Abernathy]

Didn’t Tarry gain the seat through alleged slippery voting skulduggery?

Indeed. Jas Athwal was mysteriously rendered ineligible on the eve of the selection that Tarry prevailed in, when an allegation was made against him of sexual misconduct, of which he was later exonerated, but not before the way was left clear for Tarry who was basically parachuted in as a Corbyn loyalist, to the bitter (and lasting) chagrin of the CLP’s members - hence his inevitable deselection.

[The Weeping Angel]

Didn’t Tarry gain the seat through alleged slippery voting skulduggery?

Yes more here

[Abernathy]

What those pricks did to Jas was beyond despicable.. See here:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ension-row

[Crabcakes]

In polling news, I regret to inform you Labour are no longer 33 points clear.

They’re 34 points clear. And the Tories have dropped below 20.

[Abernathy]

The Trots will of course say "But that's not because Starmer is any good. It's all because the Tories have fucked up so badly".

In which there is a mere kernel of truth, Certanly, the Tories have fucked up catastrophically, But Starmer has also done his job (rather brilliantly, IMO) by ensuring that Labour is properly positioned as the alternative government- even for former Tory voters.

Just imagine that the party was still Corbyn-led now. Would voters of all stripes be flocking to the Labour flag as they are now? Would people be as supremely comfortable about trusting to Labour as the alternative to get us out of the Truss/Kwarteng shite as they manifestly are now? Would Labour still be 34 points clear in the opinion polls?

I think we all know the answers to those hypotheses, don't we?

[davidjay]

The Trots will of course say "But that's not because Starmer is any good. It's all because the Tories have fucked up so badly".

In which there is a mere kernel of truth, Certanly, the Tories have fucked up catastrophically, But Starmer has also done his job (rather brilliantly, IMO) by ensuring that Labour is properly positioned as the alternative government- even for former Tory voters.

Just imagine that the party was still Corbyn-led now. Would voters of all stripes be flocking to the Labour flag as they are now? Would people be as supremely comfortable about trusting to Labour as the alternative to get us out of the Truss/Kwarteng shite as they manifestly are now? Would Labour still be 34 points clear in the opinion polls?

I think we all know the answers to those hypotheses, don't we?

Only because the MSM would be..........

[mattomac]

Well when the Tories were tanking under May, Labour were tanking slightly less, a Starmer party would have won in 2017, saying that May wouldn’t have run.

[davidjay]

Well when the Tories were tanking under May, Labour were tanking slightly less, a Starmer party would have won in 2017, saying that May wouldn’t have run.

I'm not sure about Starmer in 2017. Incredible as it may now seem, there was a bit of the zeitgeist about Corbyn back then. For The Many certainly struck a chord with some of the electorate and the Tory attack dogs hadn't warmed up yet.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Oh dear etc...

[Youngian]

Oh dear etc...

Our Liz has gone

[Arrowhead]

Oh dear etc...

You sound emotionally shattered at that news, Malc

[Tubby Isaacs]

I'd like the old MP for Durham NW, Pat Glass, back. She walked out before the 2017 Election fed up the "bruising referedum" (which I interpret as meaning she got fed up talking to idiots). Her Remainerism hasn't aged badly. I don't know if she'd come back. She's no fan of Pidcock and Corbyn.

[The Weeping Angel]

In many ways her losing her seat was a blessing in disguise.

[Crabcakes]

That poll lead - even with fieldwork done since Truss has resigned and rumours are Johnson will return - is looking pretty solid.

[Abernathy]

Laura can't handle success.

[Crabcakes]

Yeah, but the membership was so much higher under Corbyn…

…oh

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-election

[mattomac]

It’s probably even higher as the situation I’ve heard is of backlogs.

As for Pidock it probably was the blessing in disguise, RLB was never remotely keen on it I felt and Pidock would have been far more of an issue.

There mistake mind was not pushing Rayner (or maybe considering her), though I think she used a very similar ticket to Starmer though to the left of him.

[Youngian]

Had a stab at Al Jazeera’s Labour Files but gave up the will to live after 15 minutes. I assume it didn’t get better? Familiar cast of cyber Trots with the usual tales of betrayal by ‘the right wing bureaucracy’ using Stalinist tactics against good genuine socialists. Wasn’t long before a theory was revealed as to who pulls the strings; the Jews, cut to covert clip of Israeli mischief makers. And of course obsessed with internal process and party democracy (that has given us Corbyn and Truss). This is the documentary the MSM refused to touch because its a dreary pile of pants.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Haven't seen it. I wouldn't be surprised if some people were harshly expelled, and they deserve to have their names cleared. But like you, I'm not going to go out of my way for people who foisted Jez on us.