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If you think Kate Forbes and Tim Farron were unfairly bogged down with questions about their oddball socially conservative views, don't bet on Kemi's chances of flying high. A gaffe prone reactionary who will be setting all sorts of Acme Roadrunner traps that will land on her head.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:55 pm Crabcakes has posted on here for years and is one of the more thoughtful posters,whose opinions I take seriously.

Nev is a twat who's just turned up and quotes right wing and Corbynite talking points.

^^^ This

The Tories have provided some useful lessons about identity and equality. Their three female and one BAME PMs have demonstrated that women and ethnic minorities are no better than white males - now THAT's equality!

I think that we can drop the "twat" bit, though. Not all opinions are helpful.

It's commendable the Tories can manage to elect women, and minority women at that.

It's just a shame they're in hock to the most delusional parasitic ideology imaginable.

One of the first people to publicly congratulate Bad Enoch was ex-Labour MP Rosie Duffield I wonder how long it will take Duffield to join the Tories?

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 4:55 pm Crabcakes has posted on here for years and is one of the more thoughtful posters,whose opinions I take seriously.

Nev is a twat who's just turned up and quotes right wing and Corbynite talking points.

I know who I'll listen to.

Cheers, feller - that’s very kind of you to say.

What Andy said.

With Hunt, Cleverly, Dowden and Barclay all ruling themselves out of serving in Bad Enoch's shadow cabinet the talent pool at her disposal is going to be very shallow.

satnav wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:44 pm The talent pool at her disposal is going to be very shallow.

FTFY

satnav wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 10:44 pm With Hunt, Cleverly, Dowden and Barclay all ruling themselves out of serving in Bad Enoch's shadow cabinet the talent pool at her disposal is going to be very shallow.

Do we know why? AFAIK none of these MPs refused to serve under Johnson.

Wait for her to burn out, jump in with her successor.

Not a good opening pitch from Badenoch in Laura K interview: "Boris Johnson was a great prime minister" but the government was wrong introducing fixed penalty notices, "they set a trap for Boris."
Came across as a potentially better leader than Truss and Johnson. That's a start.

I'm guessing that the reason why so many ex-cabinet members are reluctant to join the shadow cabinet is that they are lining up lucrative jobs in the city. Hunt in particular would easily land a few well paid directorships on the back of being a former Chancellor and former Health Secretary.

That's very likely. Some of Hunt's constituents who hauled him over the line might be less than happy if he does that.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 2:03 pm That's very likely. Some of Hunt's constituents who hauled him over the line might be less than happy if he does that.

On what planet do you think he cares about that?

satnav wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 10:43 am I'm guessing that the reason why so many ex-cabinet members are reluctant to join the shadow cabinet is that they are lining up lucrative jobs in the city. Hunt in particular would easily land a few well paid directorships on the back of being a former Chancellor and former Health Secretary.

Quite likely, but if you have been a cabinet minister holding quite senior roles, do you really want the long 5 year slog of the opposition front bench where for the first couple of years at least you will struggle to have any cut through? In any case there does need to be some freeing up of the top table to allow new blood to come in, not that the Conservatives will have much new blood worthy of a shadow cabinet post. They are also going to struggle with the lower rungs of the front bench given they only have 121 MPs and 2 of them are Deputy Speakers. With the lack of numbers some people might well be covering more than one portfolio.

davidjay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2024 3:15 pm
On what planet do you think he cares about that?

Fair point.

I was meaning this would hurt his chance of re-election, so you'd think. But he'll be 62 next time.

If I were Sunak, I'd have been deeply unimpressed by the Chancellor spending the campaign door knocking in Cranleigh. His place was on the national campaign. In 1992, Chris Patten was a prominent campaigner and lost his own constituency. Hunt ought to have done the same.

When Cameron brought the newly popular Willam Hague into the Shadow Cabinet, Hague was given special dispensation to keep doing his lucrative outside work. I don't know if there are any rules on this now. If not, then I can see a couple of the bigger names getting the same sort of dispensation.

Labour's first challenge for Kemi is that she back the extra money going into public services. I think that could be a big problem for her. Taxes aren't popular, but nor is small state. She's not going to be able to pull Cameron's Big Society out of her arse, and "reform" will get people laughing, since they had 14 years to do it. And there's Farage who's there to outbid them on any tax cuts.

Blair and Brown got a good decade out of this stuff, though the stronger economy made it easier than now. Kemi has a problem though, especially if the Brexit renegotiation goes OK.

Badenoch off to a flyer, saying Rachel Reeves shouldn’t be proud of being the first female chancellor as it’s not really much of an achievement.

She inexplicably thinks she’s won because she’s most popular and best.