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Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:54 pm Truss has had a reasonable day- best so far. Decided that, on balance, markets probably didn't want a "disruptor" to replace Tom Scholar in the Treasury. And knocked down Braverman's drug nonsense.

Just the drivel about the energy efficiency campaign.

When a good day is a U turn and contradicting your Home Secretary - who was telling everyone to stop attacking you a few days ago, while disagreeing with your previous u-turn - it just shows how bad your bad days are.

Every week will start with Truss being distracted with questions about Swellin’s latest brain farts; ‘Are you going to put crocodiles on Hastings beach, prime minister?’

Not having an energy information campaign seems like a U-turn waiting to happen. The worst choleric Spectator nonsense.

Well apparently she is scrapping no fault evictions, I assume most of the other decent ideas will go with it.

Labour’s rental plans looked decent last week now they look amazing.

Looks like The Economist has joined the Anti-Growth Coalition; the last line is a zinger

The Economist says Liz Truss is already finished as prime minister. In a coruscating leader published online yesterday, it says:

Liz Truss is already a historical figure. However long she now lasts in office, she is set to be remembered as the prime minister whose grip on power was the shortest in British political history. Ms Truss entered Downing Street on September 6th. She blew up her own government with a package of unfunded tax cuts and energy-price guarantees on September 23rd. Take away the ten days of mourning after the death of the queen, and she had seven days in control. That is the shelf-life of a lettuce.

First Tory goes for the throat - budget was an act of incompetence rather than malice - then says that not preventing no-fault evictions would be shameful.

Tory benches looking very unimpressed. Mordauant licking piss off a nettle. Cleverly being a twat as usual. No sign of Kamikwaze.

What's that, Lassie? Timmy's fallen down the well?

This.

The faces...

Taking a quick peek at Paddy Power, and they have Truss odds-on (4/7) to be deposed of as Tory leader next year - if you think she won't even see out this year then it's 15/2.

On a related note, the year of Kwarteng getting the boot is a toss up between 2023 (11/10) and before the end of this year (11/8)!

Spoonman wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:14 pm Taking a quick peek at Paddy Power, and they have Truss odds-on (4/7) to be deposed of as Tory leader next year - if you think she won't even see out this year then it's 15/2.

On a related note, the year of Kwarteng getting the boot is a toss up between 2023 (11/10) and before the end of this year (11/8)!

Can't help but feel if the Tories don't find a way to dump Truss by, at the absolute latest, next Spring then their current travails will end up being hard-baked into their polling numbers no matter who subsequently takes over. There comes a point when voters completely give up on a political party and simply stops listening. We may have already reached that point anyway.

Not sure what this whole thing about Labour not backing her energy plans was.

When it’s based on fantasy based economic ideas I’d question if you can back it, not to mention Labour had a plan a whole month before this lot came up with anything and that had funding.

She was lying about Labour having U-turned on the NI rises too. Her party did. Labour opposed before and supported repeal.

The upshot of today seems to be no spending cuts and no u-turn on tax cuts. I think something will have to give.

This is bollocks too.

Chris Mason was suggesting on the evening news that Truss might class all the help given towards energy bills as public spending so that would help to balance out cuts made elsewhere in public spending. So the opposition needs to ask more specific questions on spending which would be more difficult to riddle out of.

Well, it is public spending, that is fair enough. So is increased debt interest. But offsetting that against health spending or schools isn't really what most people understand by "no cuts".

This line was tried by Fraser Nelson in the High Osbornian era. I don't think the government itself was foolish enough to try it.

There are apparently rumblings that some Tory MPs are letting it be known they would be open to vote against Truss in a VONC.

So all going well.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:05 pm There are apparently rumblings that some Tory MPs are letting it be known they would be open to vote against Truss in a VONC.

No they won’t but it shows how desperate these MPs are to use that bluff for leverage. Forming a breakaway centre right caucus is unlikely due to the Tories no longer having a centre right. This shit show is all of their own making.