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They mean nice vicars and teachers, like Derek Nimmo, or Mr Chips. Or other fictional characters.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:41 pm She's been riffing on citizenship tests to "root out" people who don't share British values. People with a community role, like "teachers and vicars", might be required to sign off that people do support British values. Is this a serious proposal, or just a route to easy stories for her media mates? if a new citizen commits a serious crime, some poor teacher or vicar can be lined as public enemy number one, like Father Teasdale in Hot Metal.

Well we all know what values some vicars like to espouse

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:29 pm They mean nice vicars and teachers, like Derek Nimmo, or Mr Chips. Or other fictional characters.

Yeah: but it's really Calvin Robinson and Jonathan Gullis.

Rosvanian wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:24 pm but....teachers and the teaching profession are despised by everyone on the right and they're none too keen on the modern Church of England either.

"Teachers" have been rehabilitated in the daemonlogy, particularly "young teachers", or at least the ones who work in academies in London. Older teachers in unions who work in maintained schools are still bad.

Vicars are only good for symbolism.

If the stuff about blocking the ambassador is true. will Kemi back the UK Government or the US President? Not a hard question. I assume the media will bombard her with this question until she answers it properly.

“Look, I actually agree with her sucking up to Trump and policies to give rich people loads more cash - what I actually hate is that when she opens her mouth she reminded everyone that the fuckwits who made her leader are the same fuckwits who then went on to make *me* leader…”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... or-a-while

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 1:41 pm like Father Teasdale in Hot Metal.

Congratulations. You win this week's Andy McDandy award for obscure twentieth century cultural references.

Technology aside, how dated is the central premise of Hot Metal (tabloid are owned by and employ the dregs of humanity), not very?

Saw it again a few years ago, and thought it was still good.

This is absolutely and unbelievably shit. I don't see how this can continue for all that much longer.

Starmer ordered an enquiry and said he'd change the law. You'd think LOTO might be able to agree to this, and with some humility seeing that her pals probably won't come out of it too well. Apparently not. Starmer "sidestepped the issue" apparently. She's still going with not understanding contempt of court. And something about finding why it happened- presumably the enquiry will do that?

And some bollocks about a 52 year minimum sentence not being sufficient. What's the legacy of mistrust anyway? Who are we now looking at mistrustingly? I think she should tell us. Oh, I think I get her point.

He was a kid, as far as we know, with Christian heritage parents, who lived in Southport. What's the "integration issue" here? Oh, I think I get her point. He's basically the same as the Muslims in Tower Hamlets who are backward and bad even when they do well at school and don't stab anyone.

She loves that "we spend more time discussing x than y" doesn't she? Last time she was plain wrong. This time she's not even wrong.

Youngian wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:54 pm Technology aside, how dated is the central premise of Hot Metal (tabloid are owned by and employ the dregs of humanity), not very?

I quite liked that, as well as Drop the Dead Donkey. Unlike Badenoch, where every episode is performatively straight to YouTube.

545 people who lived in Southport at the time of the last census were black. Out of nearly 90,000. Must be a massive integration issue.

I don't recall her calls to "safeguard our society from extreme ideologies and violence" in the aftermath of the Farage Riots.

Her statement is tone deaf to most people but will resonate with the harder right that she is now trying to appeal to. The Southport killer has been given a sentence entirely within the scope of current law. His minimum term of 52 years means he will be 69 years old when he can first fill out an application for parole. As always there is no guarantee he would be granted parole, and even aged 70 could well be judged to be a risk to the public. I would think extremely unlikely he will ever see the light of day again. His 52 years minimum is about the longest I have ever known short of a whole life tariff. The LOTO statement has brought party politics into a place where it does not need to be. Trying to score points around this situation when your party was the Government when Rudakabana was referred to Prevent is not the best tactic. This was a time for being a grown up not trying to pick a fight. Badenoch seems interested in permanently wanting to pick fights she cannot win.

This was a time for being a grown up not trying to pick a fight. Badenoch seems interested in permanently wanting to pick fights she cannot win.

As just commented on another thread, picking fights they can't win makes them bad tempered and their double down narratives ever more fanciful and conspiractorial.
We've seen over Jess Phillips that Keir can draw when he needs to but has mainly decided to stay quiet and let the Tories hang themselves. It only feeds Reform and shaves a few remaining sane Tory voters off to the Greens and LDs.

As far as the Tories/right are concerned, Prevent is a distraction from Just Kill the Bastards, which is of course the only sensible way to deal with uppity blacks, no, sorry, terrorism. On that level, when he was picked up by Prevent doesn't really matter.

Based on Badenoch’s awful statement, I can imagine when she found out he was not an immigrant and worse still a Christian rather than a Muslim she must have been furious.

He was black, so there's that. I assume Farage and Badenoch are getting at the fact the Police didn't say "he's black" is what she thinks was concealed.

Ha ha ha.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ommunities

Kemi Badenoch co-wrote report saying Prevent scheme could ‘alienate communities’
Tory leader backed 2015 inquiry but has now criticised Labour for having same concerns about counter-terror strategy

No, no, no, my name is not on that report. I've never been a member of London Assembly and I never intend to be a member of the London Assembly.

She knows she's an irrelevancy and her one chance is that Reform implodes, Farage is finally nailed as a grafter and the Tories get back just enough votes for her to stave off the letters.