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James Cleverly has attacked Labour for weakness over the Chagos Islands. He opened negotiations himself in 2022. Tugendhat also doing his nut over it, as is Farage. Pathetic.

All these people know better than the US president who support the deal.

They've turned into US Republicans. Everything the other side to is "treachery" etc.

The expulsion of the Chagos population (by a Labour administration) was possibly the most disgraceful inhumane and racist foreign policy decision in the post war years. It never registered with Joe Public and thankfully neither will this setback to Farage, Cleverly and Jenrick's East of Suez Brexit fantasies.

Liz Truss was keen on the negotiations at one point. Say what you like about her, she seems to have got that the situation wasn't helping our standing with some of the people she imagined herself doing free trade deals with.

Was an absolute gift to China before.

Jesus.

As someone points out, Cameron authorised the killing of British Jihadis in Syria. Nobody seemed to think the ECHR was relevant.

Others are being a bit cleverer in talking about the sovereignty. Kemi goes straight in on the base. which is protected by the deal.

Also, what's it got to do with Iran?

There's been a problem of asylum seekers from Sri Lanka turning up on Diego Garcia's shore since May was PM. I'm guessing that's why the previous government opened up negotiations with Mauritius to off load that shit sandwich. An 'illegal migration route,' according to Lammy.

Yesterday Pugsley claimed the EHCR forced us to kill terrorists instead of capturing them.
Today he claims we can't kill terrorists.

I reckon he's full of shit.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:46 pm Jesus.

As someone points out, Cameron authorised the killing of British Jihadis in Syria. Nobody seemed to think the ECHR was relevant.

'Pugsley'

Perfect...

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:41 pm 'Pugsley'

Perfect...

The real Pugsley (or at any rate the actor who played him) died ten years ago.

Cleverly trying to blame Liz Truss for negotiating on the Chagos Islands.

Ha ha. Literally nobody thinks the Falkland Islands are going to be ceded.

The Falklands are inhabited by more than just soldiers. They are surrounded by seafood rich waters, and an untapped oilfield. They're not going anywhere.

Besides, it was Thatcher who stripped the islands of their support, encouraging the Argentine invasion.

She also shat on the islanders in the 1981 British Nationality Act.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:14 pm Ha ha. Literally nobody thinks the Falkland Islands are going to be ceded.

Problem in the long run is taking any OTT position people will stop listening at some point down the line, but like “crying wolf”. There is a diplomatic rather credible response to this which talks up the base and completion of talks while criticising perhaps some other aspects.

This lot have gone…. “Betrayal”. Think of all those errr “plants”.

The Tory leadership contest is on. Any of the 4 who don’t say this stuff are losing.

What’s stopping their lickspittle mates in the press or any Tory not involved.

They won’t change tack, this is going be them on everything now. See Kemi above, it’s atrociously thick as the base is even outlined in the tweet she is quoting.

I would like to know what their position was when they opened negotiations, though I expect we will never hear what it was because the press are only interested in being entertained. After all they must have had a position and a position from everything I’ve read that could not be too much different from today’s announcement.

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:15 pm Yesterday Pugsley claimed the EHCR forced us to kill terrorists instead of capturing them.
Today he claims we can't kill terrorists.

I reckon he's full of shit.

I deleted Tubby's quote to avoid taking up too much space. If there's one country that should have learned a live terrorist becomes a dead martyr it's Britain.

It strikes me that if Jimmy Dimly wins the leadership, he'll be the first beardy Tory leader in many years.

Electing a beardy chap as your leader doesn't end well. Labour has been there and got the T-shirt.

I think he'd have a lot of trouble with the Farage wing if he tried to be sane on eg Starmer's renegotiation. Labour of course had no problem supporting Sunak's Windsor Framework. It'll be a problem for the Tories.