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Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:08 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
She didn't say that, apparently.

And what's her integration policy? More Muslims in Saffron Walden?


Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:27 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Danny Kruger is running Jenrick's campaign? That explains a lot. Here he shares his plan to lose even more seats to the Lib Dems.
Adam Bienkov
‪@adambienkov.bsky.social‬
Robert Jenrick's campaign manager Danny Kruger asked about why none of the panelists have mentioned climate change, replies that the "environmental lobby" has "overreached itself" and they now have an opportunity to attack Labour for their "madcap" climate schemes.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:34 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
And there's more. Not just "Down with Labour's Green Crap!" but a culture war too.
Adam Bienkov
‪@adambienkov.bsky.social‬
Robert Jenrick's campaign manager Danny Kruger says the Conservatives have to "win a culture war" in order to win back young people:

"We actually have to win a battle in the culture so that a new generation of young people recognize the significance and value of conservatism."

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:40 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
I'm getting ahead of myself here, but if I were the Tories (or indeed Labour) I'd be very worried about the Lib Dems and Greens doing some local deals on rejoining the Single Market. Far more Greens about now than in 2019 where a deal was done.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:53 pm
by Youngian
"We actually have to win a battle in the culture so that a new generation of young people recognize the significance and value of conservatism."

Some economic opportunities to gain something to conserve would be a start. Affordable housing, job security, decent pension?

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 7:37 pm
by RedSparrows
Youngian wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:53 pm
"We actually have to win a battle in the culture so that a new generation of young people recognize the significance and value of conservatism."

Some economic opportunities to gain something to conserve would be a start. Affordable housing, job security, decent pension?
Nah, the chance to make good for ~5-10% of the population and the rest have to like it is clearly very appealing to... oh.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:08 pm
by Crabcakes
Jenrick may rapidly come to regret hiring someone whose name is both hilariously and fittingly close to Dunning–Kruger…

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:28 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Crabcakes wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 8:08 pm Jenrick may rapidly come to regret hiring someone whose name is both hilariously and fittingly close to Dunning–Kruger…
And is possibly the most complete cunt in parliament.

Mind you, his nearest competitor is probably Jenrick.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:03 pm
by Youngian
Jenrick is Farage with a charisma by-pass, limited appeal me thinks.
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Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 9:44 pm
by satnav
I think Sam Coates makes a good point on the Sky News website when he says that none of the four candidates have really addressed the issues that cost the party the election. There have been no new big ideas on the NHS, education or the economy.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:00 pm
by Bones McCoy
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:34 pm And there's more. Not just "Down with Labour's Green Crap!" but a culture war too.
Adam Bienkov
‪@adambienkov.bsky.social‬
Robert Jenrick's campaign manager Danny Kruger says the Conservatives have to "win a culture war" in order to win back young people:

"We actually have to win a battle in the culture so that a new generation of young people recognize the significance and value of conservatism."
A pair of truly toxic cunt's that'll have me tap-dancing when I read their obits.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:01 pm
by Bones McCoy
Youngian wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:53 pm
"We actually have to win a battle in the culture so that a new generation of young people recognize the significance and value of conservatism."

Some economic opportunities to gain something to conserve would be a start. Affordable housing, job security, decent pension?
Tory values like unlivable rental houses.
Fire at will employment.
Selling on student debt to speculators.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:04 pm
by Bones McCoy
Poor old Jenrick, a man with no eye for public taste.

Binged on diuretics to lose his baby fat.
Just when Moo Deng, the baby hippo won the popularity lottery.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:20 pm
by satnav
The latest opinion poll of Tory Party members has got Badenoch way out in front with Jenrick second and Tugendhat and Cleverly joint third. I'm no fan of Cleverly but of the four candidates he is the only candidate who has remained consistent in his views and not spouted any batshit nonsense.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:25 pm
by Abernathy
Sneaking suspicion that Badenoch could prove to be Truss 2.0.

She's more intelligent than Thick Lizzie (just), but she still could be.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:51 pm
by mattomac
Tom and James you run this shitshow again in 3 years.

Robert and Kemi you run it again in 2.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2024 11:38 pm
by Crabcakes
Abernathy wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 10:25 pm Sneaking suspicion that Badenoch could prove to be Truss 2.0.

She's more intelligent than Thick Lizzie (just), but she still could be.
I think she’s arguably slightly smarter, but in other ways far worse. Her skin is far thinner for one thing, and her ego even bigger.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 9:11 am
by Andy McDandy
Caught a bit of the Laura K show yesterday, where she was interviewing Jenrick, Penny Morduant, and Jake Berry as if nothing had happened. So, a jobseeker and two dole scum.

Anyway, she asked wee Bobby about the inevitable trade-off between "legally binding immigration levels" and the need for workers in healthcare, social care, agriculture etc. He said that he "didn't recognise" the problem. When pushed (nudged, morelike), he blethered on about exceptions and getting unemployed people into jobs and the "dignity of work" (because there's a lot of dignity in digging up potatoes or wiping old men's arses), quickly showing his "legally binding" immigration quota to be as nonsensical as it sounds.

So, quit the ECHR, scrap the minimum wage, force the unemployed into dead end work for welfare, keep the Kiwi nannies coming in.

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:10 am
by Tubby Isaacs
sundersays.bsky.social
‪@sundersays.bsky.social‬
Jenrick's legal cap on net migration is very hard to make work in a realistic way

Eg, as described here, it could mean a complete freeze on doctors filling NHS for several months - and uncertainty in eg April-July as to whether all/some of September international student visas would be issued!
It's a net target, so if I understand it correctly, it's even more silly than this. Doesn't being able to bring in doctors depend on whether people retire abroad?

Re: Tory Leadership Election 2024

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2024 10:22 am
by Tubby Isaacs
More from Danny Kruger.
“I think the challenge for us is the values that we stand for are not the progressive values that have dominated the thinking in education and social media and the sort of news and culture that young people have taken in”, he said, adding that they would therefore need to fight an “air war” in order to trigger a “switch” in outlook among young people.

“I believe, and I see, actually a desire for some of those small-c conservative values of rootedness, responsibility… honor, duty, Victorian ideas that I think would resonate [with young people] if we conveyed them with authority”, he told the meeting.
"Rooted" Danny Kruger grew up in Central London. He'd have not had the career he has if he'd been born in Redruth and stayed rooted to it.