[davidjay]

One of the freedumb loons who clashed with the police at the weekend just phoned into James O'Brien to call him a fascist and say he'll be locked in the gorilla cage at London Zoo when the revolution comes

He also talked about the bill of rights, Magna Carta and being a free-born Englishman with the right to go wherever he wanted. And England.

[Andy McDandy]

A good look at the culture of victimhood and cancel culture propogated by the right. American-slanted, but rather relevant:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1387 ... 00896.html

[Samanfur]

A good look at the culture of victimhood and cancel culture propogated by the right. American-slanted, but rather relevant:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1387 ... 00896.html

I'm currently reading this book. It expands on the same themes over 500 years of historical context, if you're interested.

[Andy McDandy]

That's going on the reading list.

[Andy McDandy]

https://washingtonspectator.org/vietnam ... tol-steps/

Article from the Washington Spectator about how America has manufactured its own stab in the back myth, and how it has fuelled the rise of the fash over there.

A lot of ink has been spilled on the struggle to understand how this man became the unlikeliest of standard-bearers for the Republican Party. What was one to make, for example, of the apparent hypocrisy of conservative evangelicals who rallied to someone whose personal life was an insult to everything they stood for, a man so manifestly lacking in any religious beliefs, any basic knowledge of Scripture, and indeed any discernible moral compass? But these questions missed the point. It was precisely this ethical and intellectual void that made Trump the perfect vehicle for anyone who learned how to flatter him, not only conservative evangelicals but conspiracy theorists and single-issue crusaders of every stripe, from anti-abortion militants and white supremacists to anti-immigration activists and lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry, all unified in their hostility to the Deep State and Fake News.

Trump himself was little more than a needy bundle of insecurities, beset by enemies real and imagined, and with a laundry list of personal grievances. Each of the powerful forces on the far right was driven by its own politics of grievance, which reflected the massive inroads made since the Sixties by the enemy within. Freedom of religion was being trampled by radical secularists; industry was being stifled by overzealous regulators and unelected bureaucrats; First Amendment rights were being silenced by political correctness; the Second was under siege by fanatics who wanted to disarm America. Senior retired officers complained that the sacred values of the military were being eroded by social engineers who wanted women to serve in combat units. Veterans for Trump brought together a younger generation of those who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan with retired stalwarts of the Vietnam era like Maj. Gen. Patrick E. Brady, a helicopter “dust-off” pilot who had flown more than 2,000 combat missions; Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, one of the most strident of the conspiracy theorists, a birtherist and a military analyst for Fox News; and Petty Officer Michael E. Thornton, a Navy SEAL who had won the Medal of Honor for heroism in action on the DMZ.

These grievances were much bigger and more politically substantive than Trump’s, but he was happy to meld the two together, seeing their enemies as his enemies, hoaxers who wanted to delegitimize his election. But Trump had another great appeal for the far right: the megaphone he gave to their resentments put boots on the ground, both literally and figuratively—the raucous crowds of disaffected white working-class voters who had turned out at the rallies for Ross Perot, but in much greater numbers, and the right-wing veterans who stood ready to provide the muscle, sensing that the moment was drawing near when they would be called upon to act on their oath “to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

[Bones McCoy]

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A group of protesters identifying as “peaceful, sovereign” people have claimed to seize Edinburgh Castle.

The small group was seen at the landmark in a Facebook Live video on Tuesday afternoon, with Police Scotland confirming officers were still in attendance hours later.

As police appear, she shouts “notice to compel” and informs officers they are seizing the castle under article 61 of Magna Carta – “the only law in the land” – which predates the Act of Union.


[ Alert Viewers may have noticed that Scotland lies outside the scope of Magna Carta ].
[ Also article 61 applies exclusively to hairdressers and gym owners - as any fule kno! ].

[Boiler]

https://zelo-street.blogspot.com/2021/0 ... lding.html

Contains much wibble.

[Boiler]

One commenter on that piece asked if it was possible to remove every last vestige of MC from the statute books.

Is it?

[davidjay]

One commenter on that piece asked if it was possible to remove every last vestige of MC from the statute books.

Is it?

I thought it had been revoked not long after 1215.

[Boiler]

I think the Beeb did a piece listing what remained on the statute books.

However, I'm sure that the loons will say it was done illegally...

[Malcolm Armsteen]

One commenter on that piece asked if it was possible to remove every last vestige of MC from the statute books.

Is it?

I thought it had been revoked not long after 1215.

If you mean 'annulled by the Pope', yes.

[Oboogie]

"Only four of the 63 clauses in Magna Carta are still valid today - 1 (part), 13, 39 and 40. Of enduring importance to people appealing to the charter over the last 800 years are the famous clauses 39 and 40:

“No free man shall be seized, imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way, nor in any way proceeded against, except by the lawful judgement of his peers and the law of the land.

“To no one will we sell, to no one will we deny or delay right or justice.”
https://www.parliament.uk/about/living- ... taclauses/

[Andy McDandy]

I suspect that MC's "value", especially in the USA (where a lot of the brainwork - reasoning and logic not being quite suitable words - comes from about sovereign citizenship) is that there was, in 1776, a precedent for rebelling against a king. But otherwise, you may as well be quoting the code of Hammurabi.

[Cyclist]

I thought Magna Carta was signed some time before the Act of Union, so had/has no bearing in Scottish law anyway.

A police officer was injured while making an arrest during a protest at Edinburgh Castle.

Historic Environment Scotland said a group of about 20 people entered the building on Tuesday afternoon without paying and refused to leave.

In a Facebook live video, a woman claimed they were taking the castle back under Article 61 of Magna Carta, the 800-year-old charter of rights.

Police said one officer sustained minor injuries during an arrest of a man.

A report will be sent to the procurator fiscal....


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-58254322

Fucking idiots


[Fullfact article on Magna Carta]

[Oboogie]

From the BBC article:

"Magna Carta, signed in 1215 by England's King John, was a royal charter of rights designed to bring peace between the king and his barons. As it predates the Act of Union it has no bearing on Scots law.

Although it is one of the foundational documents of English law, only four parts of Magna Carta remain valid today.

None of those still-valid clauses allow citizens to decide which laws should apply to them.

The portion that the activists have been citing, Article 61, was struck from Magna Carta within a year of its signing, and only applied to a small group of barons in the first place, according to fact-checking website Full Fact."

[Nigredo]

"Only four of the 63 clauses in Magna Carta are still valid today - 1 (part), 13, 39 and 40. Of enduring importance to people appealing to the charter over the last 800 years are the famous clauses 39 and 40:

“No free man shall be seized, imprisoned, dispossessed, outlawed, exiled or ruined in any way, nor in any way proceeded against, except by the lawful judgement of his peers and the law of the land.

“To no one will we sell, to no one will we deny or delay right or justice.”
https://www.parliament.uk/about/living- ... taclauses/

It literally says the law of the land right there. Which I imagine have been revised a few times since 1215...

[Andy McDandy]

"Aaaah but in 1660-something the government declared bankruptcy so actually we're under admiralty law right now and that means technically this is a ship so..."

I wish I was joking.

[Boiler]

"Aaaah but in 1660-something the government declared bankruptcy so actually we're under admiralty law right now and that means technically this is a ship so..."

I wish I was joking.

Is that where people ask to come aboard a court or summat?

[MisterMuncher]

"Aaaah but in 1660-something the government declared bankruptcy so actually we're under admiralty law right now and that means technically this is a ship so..."

I wish I was joking.

Is that where people ask to come aboard a court or summat?

Yup. See also Dock.

They profess to believe the legal system has cheat codes, activated by saying the right form of words.

[davidjay]

I'm not entirely sure about this, but doesn't every successive Criminal Justice Act basically revoke every bit of common law that went before it? Or am I wildly wrong?