[Rosvanian]

For some reason BBC 5 Live decided to broadcast live the whole New York mayor and chief of NYPD press conference at tea time yesterday. The chief simply couldn't resist slipping in a reminder of American exceptionalism when she announced to the world that New York detectives are, without doubt, the best detectives in the world. Given that the suspect was apprehended in Pennsylvania, that seemed like very odd thing to say.

[Bones McCoy]

Burger King want to remind you.

MacDonalds are snitches.

[kreuzberger]

Had a back op and royally pissed off with the insurance? Tell me about it ...

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[Bones McCoy]

[The Weeping Angel]

I think we debating the use of the term "loony" here. First up, I am not comfortable with term. It is an ableist slur that reduces the complexities of mental illness to a single word. We are better than that.

If we take the term "loony" to mean someone who is criminally insane, and therefore not capable of rational thought it does not seem to apply in this case. Far too much planning appears to have taken place, too many opportunities for sober reflection and a step back.

Precisely. This is not the sort of behaviour exhibited by someone who is severely mentally disturbed (I’m also not very comfortable with loony, and to be honest I should have made more effort to not use it in reply so apologies for that).

This isn’t to say the killer doesn’t have some questionable behaviours, but there is no way in hell he could plead insanity either. He knew what he wanted to do, did it, did not harm anyone else, got away, and seemingly allowed himself to be caught in a public place.

And if you don’t think he allowed himself to be caught, I would suggest that someone who is able to slip away from a broad daylight shooting in a major city, then slip out of the city, then out of state, and who has no issues with access to funds and will be aware CCTV of them is circulating, really isn’t likely to suddenly become so careless as to just stroll into a fast food place with all their gear and no attempt at disguise. This was absolutely on his terms - perhaps because he wants a trial, perhaps because he was wary of being caught in a more private environment where he could come to harm. We may never know.

He could have just gone to the nearest police station.

[The Weeping Angel]

Also in one of these photos he's wearing a mask.

[mattomac]

I did like how they boasted that he wouldn’t get far last week.

He could easily have got to Canada you feel.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I think we debating the use of the term "loony" here. First up, I am not comfortable with term. It is an ableist slur that reduces the complexities of mental illness to a single word. We are better than that.

If we take the term "loony" to mean someone who is criminally insane, and therefore not capable of rational thought it does not seem to apply in this case. Far too much planning appears to have taken place, too many opportunities for sober reflection and a step back.

Precisely. This is not the sort of behaviour exhibited by someone who is severely mentally disturbed (I’m also not very comfortable with loony, and to be honest I should have made more effort to not use it in reply so apologies for that).

This isn’t to say the killer doesn’t have some questionable behaviours, but there is no way in hell he could plead insanity either. He knew what he wanted to do, did it, did not harm anyone else, got away, and seemingly allowed himself to be caught in a public place.

And if you don’t think he allowed himself to be caught, I would suggest that someone who is able to slip away from a broad daylight shooting in a major city, then slip out of the city, then out of state, and who has no issues with access to funds and will be aware CCTV of them is circulating, really isn’t likely to suddenly become so careless as to just stroll into a fast food place with all their gear and no attempt at disguise. This was absolutely on his terms - perhaps because he wants a trial, perhaps because he was wary of being caught in a more private environment where he could come to harm. We may never know.

He could have just gone to the nearest police station.

And been shot.

[The Weeping Angel]

Ok so why didn't they shoot him in McDonalds then? Gunning someone down in a police station is a stupid move. Look he wasn't a master hitman, he's not some poor oppresed person, he's a messed up manchild who thought he ciuld solve his problems with a gun difference is he killed a CEO so naturally half of X think he's a hero.

[The Weeping Angel]

You can read his manifesto here.

American shooters used to post long manifestos explaining their deeds his is just under 300 words.

[Crabcakes]

Ok, different question (to TWA). Why is it so important to you that the suspect in this case is considered completely unhinged and - as such - this killing was barely more thought out than some disturbed, abused kid wandering into a school with an AK47 and letting rip or someone with serious mental health issues attacking a random passer by?

I’m just very confused as to why you seem to want to ignore a lot of quite unusual points about what happened.

[Crabcakes]

If you REALLY want to get into the tin foil hat stuff though - and to be very clear, I think this is almost certainly all bullshit/coincidence - then check this out:

His banner on Twitter has 3 photos. Himself, a picture of his spinal surgery, and a Pokemon. The Pokemon is a Breloom, no. 286 in the Pokédex.

He posted 286 times on Twitter.

He was caught in a McDonalds 286 miles from the Midtown Hilton, New York.

…and 286 is the insurance denial code for when a healthcare appeal is not met due to time limits


And just to really make the conspiracy lovers lose their minds:

His cousin who is a Maryland state republican follows 286 people on Twitter.

Proverbs 28:6 “Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways"

[Andy McDandy]

I turned to the book on my immediate left (the Only Connect 2nd quiz book) and turned to page 286.

It was blank.

And you know what he wasn't shot with? BLANKS!

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I picked up A History Of The English Language (Baugh & Cable, 3rd edition, 1978)* and turned to p286.

It made no sense at all...


*I know how to have a good time.

[The Weeping Angel]

Ok, different question (to TWA). Why is it so important to you that the suspect in this case is considered completely unhinged and - as such - this killing was barely more thought out than some disturbed, abused kid wandering into a school with an AK47 and letting rip or someone with serious mental health issues attacking a random passer by?

I’m just very confused as to why you seem to want to ignore a lot of quite unusual points about what happened.

Because I don't want him treated as a hero he's a manchild just like Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley jr , and Timothy McVeigh manchildren who lashed out at society because they weren't being noticed. Also if Luigi had sick crippling back pain how was he able to get away on a bicycle?

[soulboy]

I grabbed the Lonely Planet guide to Budapest. Only 160 pages, what are they trying to hide? Is this an international conspiracy?

I then turned to the nearest of Soulgirl's bookshelves and grabbed Nancy Birtwhistle's Green Living Made Easy. Surely a twee book about lifestyle hacks wouldn't be embroiled in the conspiracy.

Page 286 was part of the chapter on Growing From Seeds. The page itself goes into detail on collecting, storing, germinating and planting out sweetpea seeds.

Sweetpea? Like the 2024 Sky Atlantic drama about a downtrodden individual who turns to murder? We are through the looking glass here, people.

[Oboogie]

If you REALLY want to get into the tin foil hat stuff though - and to be very clear, I think this is almost certainly all bullshit/coincidence - then check this out:

His banner on Twitter has 3 photos. Himself, a picture of his spinal surgery, and a Pokemon. The Pokemon is a Breloom, no. 286 in the Pokédex.

He posted 286 times on Twitter.

He was caught in a McDonalds 286 miles from the Midtown Hilton, New York.

…and 286 is the insurance denial code for when a healthcare appeal is not met due to time limits


And just to really make the conspiracy lovers lose their minds:

His cousin who is a Maryland state republican follows 286 people on Twitter.

Proverbs 28:6 “Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways"

Wow, it's like the worst ever episode of The X-Files....unless he turns out to be an alien.

[zuriblue]

If you REALLY want to get into the tin foil hat stuff though - and to be very clear, I think this is almost certainly all bullshit/coincidence - then check this out:

His banner on Twitter has 3 photos. Himself, a picture of his spinal surgery, and a Pokemon. The Pokemon is a Breloom, no. 286 in the Pokédex.

He posted 286 times on Twitter.

He was caught in a McDonalds 286 miles from the Midtown Hilton, New York.

…and 286 is the insurance denial code for when a healthcare appeal is not met due to time limits


And just to really make the conspiracy lovers lose their minds:

His cousin who is a Maryland state republican follows 286 people on Twitter.

Proverbs 28:6 “Better is a poor man who walks in his integrity than a rich man who is crooked in his ways"

Wow, it's like the worst ever episode of The X-Files....unless he turns out to be an alien.

The truth is out there.

[Watchman]

I always thought it was 42

[Oboogie]

Page 286 of my 1979 edition of The Pocket Beatles Complete is the George Harrison song "Piggies" from the White Album. George had clearly been reading "1984",the piggies are the bad guys - wealthy capitalists exploiting the poor, "you can see them out to dinner with their piggy wives, clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon". George opines that what they need is a "damn good whacking" and as we all know, a "whack job" is mobster slang for a gangland murder. Was George issuing orders from beyond the grave for Brain Thompson to be whacked?