[Crabcakes]

It’s amazing that they think values just pop out of nowhere rather than them being what most people actually want. The reason things were different in the past isn’t because different values were better promoted. It was repression. For generations people have worked to chip away at small groups of people having all the say about what is OK and what isn’t - that’s why it’s called progress. It’s the act of making things better.

And nothing changes for those winding back the clock, other than they have to stand on merit rather than be gifted power and influence. So it’s not values and it never has been. It’s about finding the very notion of fairness ‘unfair’.

[Andy McDandy]

“I think the challenge for us is the values that we stand for are not the progressive values that have dominated the thinking in education and social media and the sort of news and culture that young people have taken in”, he said, adding that they would therefore need to fight an “air war” in order to trigger a “switch” in outlook among young people.

“I believe, and I see, actually a desire for some of those small-c conservative values of rootedness, responsibility… honor, duty, Victorian ideas that I think would resonate [with young people] if we conveyed them with authority”, he told the meeting.

So, the kids have been exposed to liberal and progressive values over time and have absorbed them? Right, makes sense. Then he believes that "Victorian values" will chime with da kidz if conveyed with authority?

This is just clap your hands if you believe stuff.

[Killer Whale]

Also a huge amount of denial about the diversity of cultures within the UK even if you discount the effects of post-war immigration. Working class white people in Cardiff and Liverpool and Glasgow and the jolly old East End of Larndon are not the same and never have been.

[Bones McCoy]

Sneaking suspicion that Badenoch could prove to be Truss 2.0.

She's more intelligent than Thick Lizzie (just), but she still could be.

More Intelligent, but lacks that Miles Davis instinct.

It's not the notes you play, it's the notes you don't play

Lil Kem's lacking in smarts about what she shouldn't say.

[Bones McCoy]

Also a huge amount of denial about the diversity of cultures within the UK even if you discount the effects of post-war immigration. Working class white people in Cardiff and Liverpool and Glasgow and the jolly old East End of Larndon are not the same and never have been.

Not just that.
The white populations of each city were refreshed every generation by massive influx from rural areas.
That's how cities have always grown in size and population.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Also a huge amount of denial about the diversity of cultures within the UK even if you discount the effects of post-war immigration. Working class white people in Cardiff and Liverpool and Glasgow and the jolly old East End of Larndon are not the same and never have been.

I might put a small au contraire in there; in my experience those people usually have a sense of decency and solidarity which is shared, common and universal, even though their particular experiences may differ. I include in that personal experience of Welsh and Northumbrian miners and their families. It's a sort of instinctive socialism born of a common experience of hardship, often deprivation and being discounted by the middle classes who, I would agree, differ from region to region.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Jenrick's taking inspiration from Canada.

And I want to do that. And I take a lot of inspiration from our sister party in Canada, and just before the election was called, I went to meet them, and there you see a party which does not resile from traditional conservative values. They campaign on virtually the same issues that I do, immigration, lower taxes, building homes for young people, crime – we would probably add in the NHS – but similar issues.

Ha ha ha ha.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Trains and energy are woke now.

Q: Are you worried about decisions being outsourced to officials, quangos and third-party experts. Being a councillor feels like accountability without responsibility. How would you change that?

Jenrick says this will get worse. Labour is creating more quangos and bodies like this – “Great British Energy, Great British Railways, the National Wealth Fund, you name it.” And these bodies will be staffed by people of a leftwing or liberal mindset.

Great British Railways was a Shapps policy too, albeit without running trains itself. Labour have appointed Peter Hendy as the Minister and the transition team looks remarkably like the sort of people the Tories appointed to rail things. Perhaps Linda Bellos is waiting to take over and run trains only for black lesbians. (Not that the focus on disadvantaged groups from that era has dated badly, it hasn't).

Great British Energy is headed by a chap who used to run Siemens UK, and who David Cameron appointed to the board of BIS , and who was made CBE by Theresa May.

And anyway, what's the policy? Grant Shapps and Nigel Farage work out the time table?

[Andy McDandy]

Taking inspiration from the Canadian Conservatives? Be careful now...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Cana ... l_election

[Tubby Isaacs]

Not that I'm a fan of Priti Patel or Bozo, but this is a ridiculous attack by Jenrick.

sundersays.bsky.social
‪@sundersays.bsky.social‬
Robert Jenrick tells Conservative party members that he believes Boris Johnson & Priti Patel "replaced freedom of movement with Europe with a system so liberal it amounted to freedom of movement with the rest of the world". (He was a member of that Cabinet himself)

[Killer Whale]

Also a huge amount of denial about the diversity of cultures within the UK even if you discount the effects of post-war immigration. Working class white people in Cardiff and Liverpool and Glasgow and the jolly old East End of Larndon are not the same and never have been.

I might put a small au contraire in there; in my experience those people usually have a sense of decency and solidarity which is shared, common and universal, even though their particular experiences may differ. I include in that personal experience of Welsh and Northumbrian miners and their families. It's a sort of instinctive socialism born of a common experience of hardship, often deprivation and being discounted by the middle classes who, I would agree, differ from region to region.

Although, in that case, these similarities are pretty universal, and not really the kind of uniquely 'British' culture the Tory candidates are alluding to.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Matthew Holehouse
‪@matthewholehouse.bsky.social‬
Interesting: Tom Tugendhat says he would repeal the "vindictive and nasty" extension of VAT to private school; but does not commit to restoration of the Winter Fuel Payment.

Probably the wrong way round in terms of public opinion, but I'm interested to learn that getting rid of the WFA isn't really that bad at all.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Also a huge amount of denial about the diversity of cultures within the UK even if you discount the effects of post-war immigration. Working class white people in Cardiff and Liverpool and Glasgow and the jolly old East End of Larndon are not the same and never have been.

I might put a small au contraire in there; in my experience those people usually have a sense of decency and solidarity which is shared, common and universal, even though their particular experiences may differ. I include in that personal experience of Welsh and Northumbrian miners and their families. It's a sort of instinctive socialism born of a common experience of hardship, often deprivation and being discounted by the middle classes who, I would agree, differ from region to region.

Although, in that case, these similarities are pretty universal, and not really the kind of uniquely 'British' culture the Tory candidates are alluding to.

Agreed. A commonality of experience amongst the oppressed.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Stephen Bush
‪@stephenkb.bsky.social‬
Kemi Badenoch now saying that the coalition with the Liberal Democrats, the most successful period of Tory government since 2010, was a mistake because they lost members.
September 30, 2024 at 3:35 PM

What was the alternative? Go with the DUP instead? Minority Government then second election? How do the Tories gobble up Lib Dems in 2015 without the Coalition?

[Andy McDandy]

Is it cold up there on the moral high ground, Kemi?

[/Maggie Smith]

[Philip Marlow]

Jenrick you fool! Jews already control British society via the many tentacles of the Zionist Occupation Government! This wreckless mouthing off is completely unnecessary and if you can’t control yourself we’re going to have to rescind your invitation to the coffee mornings.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Adam Schwarz
‪@adamjschwarz.bsky.social‬
Kemi Badenoch says the Tories shouldn't introduce female only shortlists:

"Labour women need help. Conservative women can do it on our own."

Labour did not run female only shortlists for the 2024 election.

46% of Labour MPs are women.
24% of Conservative MPs are women.

That would be even worse without Cameron's A list. 5 women who got selection with the help of that are still MPs.

[Abernathy]

O'Brien's chucklesome quip this morning was that if Badenoch gets the Tory leadership, every Labour MP will feel obliged to declare it as a gift.

[Philip Marlow]

I’m getting mixed signals

[Tubby Isaacs]

Not the biggest fan of the Greens, but I reckon that their popularity among young people is down to the positions they take, not just clever comms.

Adam Bienkov
‪@adambienkov.bsky.social‬
"The Green Party has lots of mad policies and young people are following them every day because they speak in a way that captures them," says Kemi Badenoch.

"We can do that too"