[kreuzberger]

I am not sure that "the Islamowokerati exists because I read it in the Telegraph" is going to pass muster. Or the Wikipedia mods. QAnon might take it, mind.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Man's a cunt.

[Oboogie]

WTF has happened to The Telegraph? It was always Tory, but it never used to be bonkers. For years Private Eye has called it The Mailygraph but we're past that now and well into Expressograph territory.

[davidjay]

They've all shifted to the right. The Telegraph has become the Mail, the Mail has become the Express and the Express has become one of those turn of the century websites in Frames where the TRUTH about abuse in the Establishment was revealed.

[Oboogie]

But it hasn't simply shifted to the Right, it's turned to fantasy stuff.

[Crabcakes]

Islamists and the Woke Left sounds like a long forgotten and particularly awful 1970s prog rock outfit.

[Bones McCoy]

WTF has happened to The Telegraph? It was always Tory, but it never used to be bonkers. For years Private Eye has called it The Mailygraph but we're past that now and well into Expressograph territory.

Some time in the mid 1980s the Federation of Conservative students leapfrogged Thatcherism and became a magnet for edgelords.
So extreme was it that Lord Tebbit (remember him) closed the organisation down.

Those of the membership who remained active split into two interchangeable camps: campaigners and writers.
Some became party workers and clustered about its most extreme members.
Others found junior posts at assorted right-wing newspapers where they pioneered their own brand of client journalism.

After about 20 years of job and bed hopping, the remaining cadre were strongly embedded in the conservative party, assorted thinktanks and across the tory press.

20 more years and they have hands on the tiller of most of those organisations.
Those newspapers where they don't are steered by like-minded owners and editors.
They even launched a few astroturf organisations of their own

The parliamentary assistants they brought in their wake are now junior staffers, backbench MPs and the occasional junior minister.
They inherited, and sometimes surpassed their mentor's tastes for marching powder, non-consensual sex, and backhanders stuffed with brown envelopes.


If you've no other reason, this is why our country needs a complete overhaul of government.
Also of citizen protection against media led abuse.

With that, I wish you all a very happy St George's day.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Who knows whether anything's true, maaaaan.

[Youngian]

Perhaps reread that in the morning as it does come across as stoner babble. Humans are of course fallible but fact checking as a practical pursuit and philosophical concept isn’t that difficult. Except for those who reckon first and try to bend reality to fit their ignorance because they didn’t do any homework before mouthing off.

Is this the sort of thing Frost means? His resignation is a fact but it doesn’t tell us whether he was told to sling his hook or did it voluntary because he knew he was useless and out of his depth.

[Crabcakes]

Who knows whether anything's true, maaaaan.

Amazing. Every single thing he lists as misinformation is either demonstrably true or based on evidence very likely to be true. We’re economically worse off. Covid vaccines work. Trump is clearly in Putin’s pocket. An absolute full house of denying reality so as not to have to face the fact your idea was shit, and when you were in charge of implementing it you did nothing then ran away because it was too hard.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Amazing. Every single thing he lists as misinformation is either demonstrably true or based on evidence very likely to be true. We’re economically worse off. Covid vaccines work. Trump is clearly in Putin’s pocket. An absolute full house of denying reality so as not to have to face the fact your idea was shit, and when you were in charge of implementing it you did nothing then ran away because it was too hard.

As ever this is following the US, where fact checkers were established before here. I can recall some bloke in an op ed saying all it measured was how much you agreed with the liberal consensus. No surprise to see Frosty go there.

Most of the fact checks I see are the sort of things you can check fairly narrowly (ie not Brexit, good or bad?) and are fairly kind to the people making the misleading statement ("if you take this measure, they have a point").

[Andy McDandy]

I think it was Dominic Raab who made some claim about Irish elections (not an interpretation such as "this tells us that the prevailing opinion in Ireland was...", but a matter of hard fact - he cocked up how many seats one party had won). When asked to correct it (you know, matter of public record etc) he replied that he was an Oxford graduate and therefore knew best.

But then again, he is a cunt.

In the New Yorker article I linked to the other day, it argued that for the top percentiles of British society, there hasn't been as much of an economic hit from Brexit, and what there has been can be passed off as effects of Covid, Ukraine etc. Meanwhile, for the lowest brackets, it's just more shit on top of the last load of shit, so again, the direct link to Brexit gets blurred. I'd add that the Whitehall - Tufton Street - Fleet Street nexus is so tight that it's perfectly possible to be entirely wrapped up in it and have no idea what "real people" are experiencing. So for Frost it probably is all a big game and the civil servants are spoiling all the fun.

[Youngian]

Frost is still on the stupid pills
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