[Yug]

The word "average" seems to do a lot of heavy lifting with the cretins on both the Left and the Right.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Especially when they mean the mode.

[The Weeping Angel]

Oh god it's The World Transformed

https://labourlist.org/2023/09/new-rule ... unpopular/

Labour delegates and affiliated unions will now be prevented from challenging Starmer on many issues, as they will only be able to file motions on issues deemed “contemporary” rather than any issue. The leadership’s latest anti-democratic hack was voted through by the party’s ruling National Executive Committee this week.

This is the manoeuvring of an insecure coalition that, deep down, knows its politics is unpopular. For all their posturing about ‘ordinary working people’, the alliance of old party right and Blairites- which had to hijack the party by selling members one political programme then pursuing another- is probably well aware their views are esoteric.

None of them can seriously believe that working class people in pubs and cafes up and down the country are discussing the need for a market-driven economy with a large but heavily marketised state.

[Andy McDandy]

Fucking hell, more anti-democratic. They all sound like fucking Obi-Wan fighting Anakin.

Maybe this rule has been bought in to stop an event with a finite lifetime getting clogged up with bullshit resolutions about sending condolences to fucking Nicaraguan donkey fuckers because you know, they were the unmourned victims of the Contras. So you have to make sure what you want debated is relevant.

And what's this shit about pubs? Who goes to pubs to discuss politics? Who goes to pubs that much, even? You know where people discuss politics? Online. Of course though, the standard image of the internet political debater isn't that appealing, so we have to go to this image of ye olde hostelrie where the landlord oversees a bunch of lively but respectful debates where sage old yeomen put the world to rights.

I've been to pubs. You know what they're full of? Wankers. Wankers looking at their phones.

[Abernathy]

Edward Potter is a massive twat.

Him and his fellow Trots are more than welcome to fuck off permanently to “The Wank Transformed”.

[Andy McDandy]

During the Corbyn era, the festival played a crucial role in bringing the movement together to discuss, to learn, and to dance. It was a creative space that allowed for thinking beyond the short term, and it facilitated relationships between activists across the British Left.

We had a piss up and got laid.

The World Transformed has never been more vital. It is a chance for leftists to rebuild, uniting organisations central to our movement. It will host delegates from the RMT, Equity and the CWU alongside the aforementioned climate justice groups.

Whether you’re a seasoned trade unionist, a socialist mainly active online, a disaffected Labour Party member, or an environmental activist who has focused on the climate crisis, there are connections to make, energy to gain, new ideas to explore.

Half our members buggered off after graduating and getting jobs. Please come along, I want a shag.

[Boiler]

I've been to pubs. You know what they're full of? Wankers. Wankers looking at their phones.

Speak for yourself. Maybe the flat-roofed shitholes you go to are but the places I visit, people actually enjoy a beer or two and conversation. And no phones.

[The Weeping Angel]

Sometimes after meetings we will depart to the Pub for a couple of drinks but we don't exactly have in depth policy discussions.

[Andy McDandy]

Speak for yourself. Maybe the flat-roofed shitholes you go to are but the places I visit, people actually enjoy a beer or two and conversation. And no phones.

I live in a small city with a vibrant nightlife and 2 universities. And many pubs, ranging from flat roofed shitholes to the possibly quite nice and historic. They are all stuffed with wankers.

[Boiler]

Must be an issue with where you live then.

No such problems where I drink.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Oh god it's The World Transformed

https://labourlist.org/2023/09/new-rule ... unpopular/

Labour delegates and affiliated unions will now be prevented from challenging Starmer on many issues, as they will only be able to file motions on issues deemed “contemporary” rather than any issue. The leadership’s latest anti-democratic hack was voted through by the party’s ruling National Executive Committee this week.

This is the manoeuvring of an insecure coalition that, deep down, knows its politics is unpopular. For all their posturing about ‘ordinary working people’, the alliance of old party right and Blairites- which had to hijack the party by selling members one political programme then pursuing another- is probably well aware their views are esoteric.

None of them can seriously believe that working class people in pubs and cafes up and down the country are discussing the need for a market-driven economy with a large but heavily marketised state.

But they were discussing Kashmir and Palestine in working class cafes and pubs, right?

These people always think they have "popular policies" even when nobody votes for it. And they completely overlook that in the round, people think "you can't pay for this, can you?"

[The Weeping Angel]

But they were discussing Kashmir and Palestine in working class cafes and pubs, right?

Judging by the pubs I go to no they don't.

These people always think they have "popular policies" even when nobody votes for it. And they completely overlook that in the round, people think "you can't pay for this, can you?"

Yes and it's curious the author doesn't say what these popular policies actually are. I'll hazard a guess it's the usual rentaionalise the railways and wealth taxes.

[Youngian]

Speak for yourself. Maybe the flat-roofed shitholes you go to are but the places I visit, people actually enjoy a beer or two and conversation. And no phones.

I live in a small city with a vibrant nightlife and 2 universities. And many pubs, ranging from flat roofed shitholes to the possibly quite nice and historic. They are all stuffed with wankers.

Owning a dog has given a new perspective on pubs. One’s that don’t allow dogs are because their punters are indeed wankers who don’t know how to socialise dogs properly. Dog friendly pubs are frequented by friendly people with friendly dogs. Scoring highly for dog friendly pubs has been Glasgow, Northumberland, most of Norfolk and London pretty good. Worst experiences; Scarborough, Skegness, Wisbech and Clacton (except for Jaywick).

[Malcolm Armsteen]

I avoid pubs with dogs, and I don't think I'm a wanker.

Rather I wonder why people's obsession with their pets has to include me.

[Boiler]

Dogs in pubs has recently been a bone of contention in Australia where some states are okay with them and some aren't.

In one pub my sister drinks in there is a high chair for one of the regulars' black labrador, with his name on the back (which is Frank).

Is it my memory or did "dog-friendly" become a 'thing' post-Covid? There's a little cafe by the beach in Hunstanton that makes a thing about it.

[kreuzberger]

I like pubs. I avoid ones where (English) tourists grab me bird's arse and those that are not full of queers.

I made an exception when I was I Bath, because the town seems to be full of civilised people, and I am also generally more relaxed in Bayern - probably because they don't know what queers are except in that weird church of theirs.

Likewise, I rather like Lancaster, too, if that is relevant to the discussion. At their football, you're in and have a pie plus a couple of pints for less than twenty quid. The fans are a jolly decent bunch, too.

[davidjay]

I like pubs. I usually like the people who go into pubs that I like. As a rule I'm the sad bloke sitting up the corner with a paper/magazine/phone.

[Youngian]

Is it my memory or did "dog-friendly" become a 'thing' post-Covid? There's a little cafe by the beach in Hunstanton that makes a thing about it.

It allows them to have a winter trade along with most of the coastal pubs around those parts. Wetherspoons had to ban dogs as staff were fed up picking up dog turds in the garden. People who can be arsed to take their dogs to the seaside for the day tend not to be pricks who leave their shit in other people’s gardens. Or let their dogs run around feral annoying other punters.

[Boiler]

I'm surprised they weren't picking them up from the carpet in a Spoons...

[mattomac]

Some pubs are ok, some are awful.

As a CAMRA member I have experienced both.