[Tubby Isaacs]

And your traditional Tory voter probably has a drive and a bit of money, and probably likes the idea of charging the car for cheap overnight, quite possibly from solar panels. If they can't afford that easily now, they understand that technology and mass adoption improves quality and brings prices down. What's not to like about that vision?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Does Kemi think Ford are angling for a multi billion Pound subsidy to open a new petrol car manufacturing plant? She gets confused.

She think they're trying to win "market share". Which is an odd thing for a Tory to complain about. Perhaps she can work out a "fair" quota system.

[RandomElement]

I think even Clarkson realises he is a bit of a dinosaur, or at least that the aging, out-of-touch persona is the way to go to keep on TV.
In Clarkson's Farm, he's the butt of the jokes, the one who cannot do anything right and is being outsmarted by younger people, but trying to keep up (badly). I expect many of the few remaining Tory supporters who have not gone down the Alt-right rabbit hole think similarly.

[Abernathy]

Sunak’s plan to row back from Net Zero commitments represents, I think, a last, desperate throw of the dice for him. He knows that the writing’s on the wall as far as the general election is concerned, and has been casting around for something, anything, that might at the very least minimise the carnage and leave the Tories in some sort of recoverable condition. Up until the Uxbridge by-election, all he had was immigration, on which the tide seems to be turning somewhat, and the culture war “what is a woman?” cobblers, which 30p Lee’s best efforts notwithstanding, was very thin gruel. Having unexpectedly held onto Uxbridge on a thoroughly disingenuous “Green crap screwing the man in the street” ticket, Sunak seems to have reasoned that the Uxbridge tactic can be expanded on and used nationwide, and is gambling everything on it.

Truly, transparently, desperately pathetic. I can’t see that it’ll work, though.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I always say that the Tories have studied the John Major era very closely. Major could certainly have rallied a base if he'd chucked out some red meat on immigration, but he didn't. (William Hague wasn't so scrupulous). Cameron chucked out his disastrous referendum to keep his base together then got over the line on the back of real wages rising. If you haven't got the base, not even real wages will save you.

Sunak will similarly try anything from "green crap" to trans school kids, by the look of it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Portillo candidate and Tommy Robinson fan, Karl McCartney here.

Car manufacturers are "Central London ecozealots". Absolutely pathetic.

[Abernathy]

“As a realist”

[Tubby Isaacs]

Traditional family values, no doubt, from Miriam Cates. Who doesn't allow replies. Taken me a few seconds to find a load of not very expensive second hand cars on Autotrader.

[Tubby Isaacs]

“As a realist”

A realist in the real world, unlike the fantasy one Ford live in.

[Watchman]

Mmmmm, Brendan Clarke-Smith, Kemi Badenough? Leading figures from BMW and Ford? Who’s got the best understanding of a global engineering and commercial business

[Tubby Isaacs]

Sunak says we need “sensible green leadership”, requiring “a wholly new kind of politics”.

So, how do we do that?

First, we need to change the debate.

At the moment we are stuck between people who want to abandon net zero, and people who want to go even further.

Both extremes are wrong, and fail to reflect the reality of the situation.

The question is – “do we have the fairest credible path to reach net zero by 2050 in a way that brings people with us”.

Sunak says he has looked at the policies, and concluded we don’t.

In what way are we "stuck between" those positions? And why doesn't that apply to every other issue where there are didfferences of opinion?

[Tubby Isaacs]

We will never force anyone to rip out their existing boiler and replace it with a heat pump. You’ll only ever have to make the switch When you’re replacing your boiler anyway – and even then, not until 2035

Who was forcing people to rip out gas boilers?!

[Abernathy]

Well, McCartney and Cates (a Portillo moment candidate) both seem to be on message with the new “green crap” gamble agenda.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Sunak says grants for people under the boiler upgrade scheme will be increased by 50%, going up to £7,500. This will make the scheme one of the most generous of its kind, he says.

Does Karl McCartney approve of this? I'd have thought "people in the real world" had to get their boilers fixed not buy a new one.

I'd have thought setting a deadline and saying "get on with it" to industry was a more conservative approach than extending the deadline and chucking more of taxpayers money at it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Uttery feeble. Sunak's scrapping "proposals" now. "7 different bins" is bollocks, btw.

What the heck is the "Interfere in number of passengers you can have in your car"?

The debate about how we get to Net Zero has thrown up a range of worrying proposals. And today I want to confirm that under this government they will never happen.

The proposal for government to interfere in how many passengers you can have in your car – I’ve scrapped it.

The proposal that we should force you to have seven different bins in your home – I’ve scrapped it.

The proposal to make you change your diet and harm British farmers by taxing meat, or to create new taxes to discourage flying or going on holiday. I’ve scrapped those too.

And nor will we ban new oil and gas in the North Sea which would simply leave us reliant on expensive imported energy from foreign dictators like Putin.

[RedSparrows]

This 'debate' language is the same weasel shit about immigration.

'Why can't we just have a debate' says the person with all the power, pulling all the levers, cheered on by people he despises.

[Tubby Isaacs]

We should have a debate. One lasting about 6 weeks and ending with a general election.

Nice of Sunak to give a shout out to British farmers. What about British producers of meat alternatives, if we're going to be patriotic?

[RedSparrows]

We should have a debate. One lasting about 6 weeks and ending with a general election.

Nice of Sunak to give a shout out to British farmers. What about British producers of meat alternatives, if we're going to be patriotic?

Ruse number 23124823143 in the fuckwit's playbook: consistently make out like some areas of society are worthy of patriotic protection, and never, ever, ever, ever draw any attention to the implication this has.

[Crabcakes]

It’s all building up to a can’t be arsed charter. Can’t be arsed to recycle? Fine. Can’t be arsed to get a new boiler? No worries. Can’t be arsed to think any further than ‘bloody immigrants’ as to who’s to blame for the country’s problems? Got you covered. Can’t be arsed to get a car that doesn’t chuff out toxins? All good.

Lazy, selfish bollocks. Fits perfectly with the mindset of a man happy to let hospital and train strikes drag on because he needs neither. They just don’t care. Not one iota, about absolutely *anything*.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Good bait and switch their with flying and "going on holiday" too.