Rosvanian wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:45 pm Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?Because it's tradition, so has to be the way they want.
Rosvanian wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:45 pm Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?It intrigued me during my childhood.
Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 11:04 amI can
I've caught a few other proms events on the radio, and it seems that the Last night is also the worst night.
Imagine if your local carnival has a music event, with a whole bunch of local bands, and closing with Showaddywaddy.
The net immigration figure was just over 600,000, but only by taking into account foreign nationals who left and thousands upon thousands of British citizens who decided they'd had enough and it was time to get out of Dodge.Yes, cunt, that's what a net figure is.
Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2023 5:59 amHaving written several books on railway history, some of what I have written has not been known before because I have done the hard yards and trawled through pages and pages of archive material to get tothe bottom of what actually happened. That is what historians do. It is why history is not a fixed set of facts. As more material becomes available so our understanding of events increases. The problem is that when the National Trust says they are going to include details of how a country estate was built using the profits of slavery some folk get a fit of vapours and claim the National Trust has gone all woke. No the NT are telling a more complete story and so are educating people and increasing knowledge and understanding.Rosvanian wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2023 8:45 pm Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?Because it's tradition, so has to be the way they want.
In fact, tradition is a good way to categorise the National Trust, Shakespeare, saints' days, historical accounts and loads more. They aren't interested in history, or finding out more, or how things adapt over time; they just want tradition.
Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:30 am Yes, absolutely. And anyone genuinely interested in their country's history would - you'd think - be happy with that. Not just on a basis of honesty or revisionism - warts and all history is popular. Just ask the London Dungeon, or Terry Deary.Excellent summary:
If the NT flags up how a stately home was built with the proceeds of slavery, one would hope that any reasonable person would be able to absorb that without having a fit of the vapours. Explain to the kids that yes, in the past, people did some very cruel things, but we know better now. Admiring the Tower of London doesn't mean that you approve of chopping off women's heads.
I suspect the reason people are getting so worked up about statues and mansions is that it goes against their "great men" theory of history (if you could call it that), in which everyone is either a hero or a villain. Churchill - beat the Nazis. That's it. Wellington - beat Napoleon. Alfred the Great - cakes. Everyone summed up in a single slugline, goodie or baddie, by their defining work shall ye know them. So, someone pointing out that the person up on that pedestal may have done some pretty dodgy stuff is effectively questioning why they're up there at all - and whether this great men theory actually holds any water.
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