[Malcolm Armsteen]

[Rosvanian]

Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?

[Malcolm Armsteen]

We used to go when we was but striplings. Fun.

[Spoonman]

I wonder what flag Richard flies outside his house.

The Dixie one, I'd presume.

[Andy McDandy]

Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?

Because it's tradition, so has to be the way they want.

In fact, tradition is a good way to categorise the National Trust, Shakespeare, saints' days, historical accounts and loads more. They aren't interested in history, or finding out more, or how things adapt over time; they just want tradition.

[Bones McCoy]

Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?

It intrigued me during my childhood.

As an adult, I've shifted it into a couple of categories.
"Serious" music for people who don't like serious music.
"Compulsory fun" - like when your work has a fancy dress day, but organised by serious musicians.

I've caught a few other proms events on the radio, and it seems that the Last night is also the worst night.

Imagine if your local carnival has a music event, with a whole bunch of local bands, and closing with Showaddywaddy.

[Youngian]

I've caught a few other proms events on the radio, and it seems that the Last night is also the worst night.

Imagine if your local carnival has a music event, with a whole bunch of local bands, and closing with Showaddywaddy.

I can

[Bones McCoy]

The struggle is real.

[Youngian]

I was looking forward to seeing Showaddywaddy but rapidly left as it was the same set as I saw them perform on Crackerjack 45 years ago but without Dave Bartram.

[Killer Whale]

Crackerjack

Crackerjack!

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Dropped ya cabbage, did ya?

I twice took school parties to Crackerjack (Crackerjack!). My ears didn't stop ringing for days...

[Andy McDandy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailym ... ol-EU.html

Illiterate, illogical, ignorant asylum greatest shits piece. Every cliché, all in one bundle. The system is broken, nothing works, but any suggestions on how to fix it are wrong, because they might work. And show up the people who should be making it work, if they were any good.

Meanwhile, this made me laugh;

The net immigration figure was just over 600,000, but only by taking into account foreign nationals who left and thousands upon thousands of British citizens who decided they'd had enough and it was time to get out of Dodge.

Yes, cunt, that's what a net figure is.

Also I hope none of those British citizens getting out of Dodge were young men of military age...

Cunt.

[Youngian]

It’s not just Littlejohn blowing a gasket, ‘stop the boats’ is more or less the Tory raison d’etre as they have nothing else in the tank. And Starmer’s moored his assault craft on that beachhead.

[slilley]

Like the vast majority of the public, I couldn't give a shit about about the Last fucking Night of the fucking Proms. Neither does a classical music loving good friend of mine. In fact, who actually does? The only reason I know it still exists is because fragile, whiny right-wing gobshites get upset every September because they've been triggered by someone waving the wrong fucking flag at this poxy event. And I think to myself, is that all these fuckers have got? Is that really it?

Because it's tradition, so has to be the way they want.

In fact, tradition is a good way to categorise the National Trust, Shakespeare, saints' days, historical accounts and loads more. They aren't interested in history, or finding out more, or how things adapt over time; they just want tradition.

Having written several books on railway history, some of what I have written has not been known before because I have done the hard yards and trawled through pages and pages of archive material to get tothe bottom of what actually happened. That is what historians do. It is why history is not a fixed set of facts. As more material becomes available so our understanding of events increases. The problem is that when the National Trust says they are going to include details of how a country estate was built using the profits of slavery some folk get a fit of vapours and claim the National Trust has gone all woke. No the NT are telling a more complete story and so are educating people and increasing knowledge and understanding.

[Andy McDandy]

Yes, absolutely. And anyone genuinely interested in their country's history would - you'd think - be happy with that. Not just on a basis of honesty or revisionism - warts and all history is popular. Just ask the London Dungeon, or Terry Deary.

If the NT flags up how a stately home was built with the proceeds of slavery, one would hope that any reasonable person would be able to absorb that without having a fit of the vapours. Explain to the kids that yes, in the past, people did some very cruel things, but we know better now. Admiring the Tower of London doesn't mean that you approve of chopping off women's heads.

I suspect the reason people are getting so worked up about statues and mansions is that it goes against their "great men" theory of history (if you could call it that), in which everyone is either a hero or a villain. Churchill - beat the Nazis. That's it. Wellington - beat Napoleon. Alfred the Great - cakes. Everyone summed up in a single slugline, goodie or baddie, by their defining work shall ye know them. So, someone pointing out that the person up on that pedestal may have done some pretty dodgy stuff is effectively questioning why they're up there at all - and whether this great men theory actually holds any water.

[Bones McCoy]

Yes, absolutely. And anyone genuinely interested in their country's history would - you'd think - be happy with that. Not just on a basis of honesty or revisionism - warts and all history is popular. Just ask the London Dungeon, or Terry Deary.

If the NT flags up how a stately home was built with the proceeds of slavery, one would hope that any reasonable person would be able to absorb that without having a fit of the vapours. Explain to the kids that yes, in the past, people did some very cruel things, but we know better now. Admiring the Tower of London doesn't mean that you approve of chopping off women's heads.

I suspect the reason people are getting so worked up about statues and mansions is that it goes against their "great men" theory of history (if you could call it that), in which everyone is either a hero or a villain. Churchill - beat the Nazis. That's it. Wellington - beat Napoleon. Alfred the Great - cakes. Everyone summed up in a single slugline, goodie or baddie, by their defining work shall ye know them. So, someone pointing out that the person up on that pedestal may have done some pretty dodgy stuff is effectively questioning why they're up there at all - and whether this great men theory actually holds any water.

Excellent summary:

As if History could be sumed up by Del Boy falling through the bar, Compo riding a bath down the hill, or Manwaring saying "Don't tell 'em Pike!".

Or what this "traditional history" brigade might call "dumbed down".

[Andy McDandy]

Basically reductionism - "if you don't X then you must Y".

Never applies to them of course.

[davidjay]

History in LittlejohnWorld is summed up in two words - we won.

[Andy McDandy]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... hange.html

Dickie can't stick to speed limits. It's everyone else's fault.

[Youngian]

Of course it’s a bit difficult to acclimatise to a 20mph speed limit if you’re not used to it, that’s why you impose speed limits.

If the likes of Littlejohn told us what they really mean you’d have a bit more respect of them; ‘I don’t give a fuck about the world we leave our grandchildren if it means making adjustments to my lifestyle.’