[Bones McCoy]

Somebody made a point about "low value degrees" elsewhere: what "value" did Cameron's, Truss's and Sunak's PPE degrees bring to the table?

Their measure is your salary post graduation.

Consider how Cameron's royal relative nepoting him a 90K job with a media firm immediately boosts the "value" of PPE.
It's a prime example of the absurdity of their measure.


I'd add a personal anecdote.
During 35 years working, almost 30 of those were spent on jobs which didn't exist when I applied for my degree.
The "value" measure threatens to shut down any attempt at future-proofing our youth's skills.

[Andy McDandy]

And as the Robert Halfon interview on GMB showed, they can't even decide if "social value" is a thing, or how to measure it. While the right will argue that nurses don't need degrees (just a Matron to obey and a junior doctor to shag some knowledge into them), even they will agree that a medical degree for a doctor is a good thing. But given how low starting salaries for many professionals are - they don't all start as top consultants or KCs* - such degrees wouldn't qualify a bright working class kid, while a rich kid with a 3rd in media studies and a parent with a production company flies through.

So, unless exceptions are made for, say, medicine, it won't work. Everyone will be claiming that their course is an exception to the rules.

They may as well admit it's about keeping the oiks out.

*An undergrad degree plus at least 3 years legal study and on the job training. And then you're still at entry level.

[Youngian]

It’s just more culture war bollocks but it doesn’t look like aspirant working class voters Selby want their kids to grow up to be Lee Anderson instead of Keir Starmer.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Not that I think you can measure value by earnings in every case (obviously) but why don’t they at least say, I dunno, 5 year post degree average or something? Presumably they approve accounting degrees but it takes a few years before wages in accountancy rise.

[Yug]

The only accountancy graduates they approve of are the ones who know all the tax loopholes.

[Tubby Isaacs]

There aren't really too many loopholes. They're generally stuff that does exactly what it was intended to do- in lots of cases, favour rich people.

[Watchman]

The actual Prime Minister

Sunak’s tweet associating Labour with ‘criminal gangs’ labelled ‘desperate and pathetic’ by shadow cabinet minister – as it happened
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/li ... SApp_Other

[Youngian]

Nice guy Rishi still has currency so weak and unfit to lead would sound better than nasty bastard.

[Watchman]

I’m confused, why is his plan to stop people trafficking a reel of cotton?

[satnav]

Isn't 'bobbins' a Mancunian colloquialism for something that is a bit rubbish?

[Boiler]

Isn't 'bobbins' a Mancunian colloquialism for something that is a bit rubbish?

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[davidjay]

Time was when such language was used by tabloid columnists and, at worse, rentaquote backbenchers.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Umm.... he hasn't used it.
The reel indicates that the thread can be 'unrolled'.

[davidjay]

Umm.... he hasn't used it.
The reel indicates that the thread can be 'unrolled'.

I meant what he did say.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Sorry, I was responding to Watchman.

[Yug]

Nice guy Rishi still has currency so weak and unfit to lead would sound better than nasty bastard.

This is a bit rich, coming from the leader of the Party of choice for spivs, racists, tax-dodgers, and sex-pests.

[Watchman]

Umm.... he hasn't used it.
The reel indicates that the thread can be 'unrolled'.

Found it! Not being a Twatter/X user, I was wondering why we were having government via cryptic crossword clues

[Andy McDandy]

This is a bit rich, coming from the leader of the Party of choice for spivs, racists, tax-dodgers, and sex-pests.

Aaaaaah, but that's vicious abuse and the politics of envy. Not like our rough and tumble badinage.

[kreuzberger]

I seem to be back in the saddle today, albeit still a little groggy after a cracking day on the opiates on Monday.

Helping to clear the fog is the reaction to Sunak's notable Tweet. For fuck's fucking sake; this is the man who appointed Suella Braveman and Lee Anderson. That this foul behaviour should surprise anyone suggests that the weapons-grade pharmas have not been restricted to me.

[mattomac]

The hard thinking in the press.