[Tubby Isaacs]

See also "Starmer just agrees with them all the time".

[The Weeping Angel]

Honestly the twitter left is enough to make someone wish for a fascist dictatorship.

[Youngian]

I caught a piece on BBC News yesterday - a vox pop in Batley. A couple of, I suspect, future Tory voters said that "Conservatives know what the working man wants: Labour tells us what we want."

Any details given as to what the voter wants? Bet it isn’t anything economic or to the betterment of their grandchildren.

[Samanfur]

Ask eight different voters and you'll get ten different answers. All they'll agree on is that the Tories know what it is.

[Andy McDandy]

For quite a few, it will be "just leave me alone and stop telling me what to do". Yes, I know.

Thing is, some people will take instruction from their "betters" easier than they will from "that jumped up care assistant gymslip mum who thinks she's all that". They also have the idea that anyone with money or influence always had it. See Marcus Rashford for a good example.

[davidjay]

For quite a few, it will be "just leave me alone and stop telling me what to do". Yes, I know.

Thing is, some people will take instruction from their "betters" easier than they will from "that jumped up care assistant gymslip mum who thinks she's all that". They also have the idea that anyone with money or influence always had it. See Marcus Rashford for a good example.

My mum, God bless her and keep my hands from her throat, is like this. "I'm as good as anybody else", "Who does she think she is?" is regularly aimed towards anyone trying to better themselves, yet as far back as I can remember she has always been instinctively on the side of the bosses and those with money. A friend of hers has a son whose business went into adminIstration and she was full of sympathy for the loss of his nice car and his children's private education. For his out of work staff and his creditors, nary a word.

[The Weeping Angel]

More bad news

https://labourlist.org/2021/06/starmer- ... oll-finds/

[Nigredo]

For quite a few, it will be "just leave me alone and stop telling me what to do". Yes, I know.

Thing is, some people will take instruction from their "betters" easier than they will from "that jumped up care assistant gymslip mum who thinks she's all that". They also have the idea that anyone with money or influence always had it. See Marcus Rashford for a good example.

My mum, God bless her and keep my hands from her throat, is like this. "I'm as good as anybody else", "Who does she think she is?" is regularly aimed towards anyone trying to better themselves, yet as far back as I can remember she has always been instinctively on the side of the bosses and those with money. A friend of hers has a son whose business went into adminIstration and she was full of sympathy for the loss of his nice car and his children's private education. For his out of work staff and his creditors, nary a word.

I noticed this with my dad during the England game. He hates Sterling for being a jumped up little scrote, "who does he think he is?", more concerned with being a social media gangsta than playing football etc.

Ok, how about Marcus Rashford? Lives a fairly quiet life as far as I can tell, altruistic, tries to help impoverished kids in need. Should be a totally different perception right?

Nope, Rashford is also a jumped up little scrote, "who does he think he is?", more concerned with bullying people into socialism than playing football (and besides if he cares so much why doesn't he pay more money towards it eh?)

I suspect if I pushed it further we would've got to the point where the only black person he's enjoyed seeing on TV was meek, gullible Denzil in Only Fools & Horses.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Why doesn't Starmer call for allignment to reduce the NI problems?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Check out the "Kieth" standard comments below the original post.

[The Weeping Angel]

https://labourlist.org/2021/06/labour-c ... positions/

It’s a strategy that is dying on its feet. As the by-election in Hartlepool has shown, Starmer has not only been unable to entice those voters back to the party but his push to the right in pursuit of them is alienating other essential parts of Labour’s electoral coalition. Voters aged between 18-24 are moving in their droves to the Greens, with Labour’s support amongst this demographic dropping by a dramatic 21 points, while many BAME voters were left disappointed by the Labour leader’s perceived equivocation during the Black Lives Matter protests last year.

This piece seems to be referencing that polling

[Arrowhead]

This piece seems to be referencing that polling

The wider issue being that Labour's voter coalition has unpeeled like a banana over the past few years, starting in Scotland and reaching a peak/nadir with the fallout from Brexit & Corbyn in 2019 and beyond.

Corbyn-sympathetic left winger who backed RLB/Burgon during the leadership elections last year?
Starmer isn't - and emphatically never will be - your guy. The Greens will get your vote until he is gone (or "purged").

One of the Glastonbury cool kids responsible for the 2017 Youthquake?
The Greens seem a more natural fit than a Starmer-led Labour Party. Didn't he used to be a cop or summat?

Left-leaning Scottish voter attracted to the idea of Scottish independence?
Already decided to throw in your lot with the SNP some years ago.

Brexity Red Wall voter fed up with all this BLM stuff?
Happy that Corbyn is out, but good old Boris gets your vote for now.

Traumatised Remainer who hates everything about Brexit Britain?
Gutted that Starmer now accepts the end of EU freedom of movement. Lib Dems for you.

Taking all that into account, it's actually quite impressive Labour are still rooted somewhere in the mid-thirties in many of the opinion polls.

[Tubby Isaacs]

https://labourlist.org/2021/06/labour-c ... positions/

It’s a strategy that is dying on its feet. As the by-election in Hartlepool has shown, Starmer has not only been unable to entice those voters back to the party but his push to the right in pursuit of them is alienating other essential parts of Labour’s electoral coalition. Voters aged between 18-24 are moving in their droves to the Greens, with Labour’s support amongst this demographic dropping by a dramatic 21 points, while many BAME voters were left disappointed by the Labour leader’s perceived equivocation during the Black Lives Matter protests last year.

This piece seems to be referencing that polling

Yep.

[Oboogie]

Traumatised Remainer who hates everything about Brexit Britain?
Gutted that Starmer now accepts the end of EU freedom of movement. Lib Dems for you.

I guess that's me.
EU freedom of movement has ended. That's not opinion. That's fact. I accept it, because it's true.
Where is the evidence of this massive swing from Labour to the LibDems, I've not seen any polling suggesting that has happened.

[Arrowhead]

I guess that's me.
EU freedom of movement has ended. That's not opinion. That's fact. I accept it, because it's true.
Where is the evidence of this massive swing from Labour to the LibDems, I've not seen any polling suggesting that has happened.

It hasn’t happened…………yet. Maybe it won’t, but it seems to me the next column most likely to crumble, especially if public sentiment finally turns against Brexit. There is undoubtedly a large number of ultra-Remainers out there who may well be persuaded over to the Lib Dem camp if they decide Labour is a busted flush.

[Oboogie]

I guess that's me.
EU freedom of movement has ended. That's not opinion. That's fact. I accept it, because it's true.
Where is the evidence of this massive swing from Labour to the LibDems, I've not seen any polling suggesting that has happened.

It hasn’t happened…………yet. Maybe it won’t, but it seems to me the next column most likely to crumble, especially if public sentiment finally turns against Brexit. There is undoubtedly a large number of ultra-Remainers out there who may well be persuaded over to the Lib Dem camp if they decide Labour is a busted flush.

I seriously doubt there are many Rejoiners daft enough to believe the Tories are going to lead us back in the EU.

[The Weeping Angel]

Very worrying.

[Youngian]

Everyone wants affordable security in old age but no one wants to pay more to deliver it. Pity Johnson won’t use his gift of the gab to grasp this nettle. And at least do one favour to the nation.

[Youngian]

Sounds like a gig for Hugh Abbot from the Thick of It. Is this a good idea?

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer joins Ipswich bingo night https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/sir- ... go-8083956

[Tubby Isaacs]

Very worrying.

If "rich pay with house prices" (T May) was a political disaster, than I can't see what other options there are. I can see that Labour don't want to have "Labour's £xbn tax bombshell" around their neck this early in the parliament, but the main criticism now is having no policies.

Sienna Rodgers reckons the policy does still stand. In which case, this is awful comms.