[Youngian]

Mr Vince runs an eco-energy company, what a bastard!

[mattomac]

I heard Lisa Nandy talk about this on Question Time.

Yup Lisa Nandy has been putting a fair bit out on rental sector today sounds like some good measures that would certainly make it more secure for tenants.

As for Vince Dale, owns a football club and an energy company and they’ve already tried this one.

[The Weeping Angel]

Of course people are OUTRAGED over this.

[Dalem Lake]

What does he mean by "affordable" though, because that definition has been tainted by Tories to mean 80% of the market, which is pretty un-fucking-affordable in reality to many people.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Starmer absolutely shouldn't have promised to abolish fees, but it's the right decision.

Though I do appreciate it's difficult when you're running against Jez types who promise freebies funded by tax on Google or whatever the latest thing they read on the internet.

[Tubby Isaacs]

What does he mean by "affordable" though, because that definition has been tainted by Tories to mean 80% of the market, which is pretty un-fucking-affordable in reality to many people.

The type of place makes a lot of difference. If a developer builds some very expensive flats and puts a couple in at 80%, then that's better than nothing but not very affordable. But if you have regular places at 80%, then that's more helpful. I don't know how you fund that without tax payers sticking money in, and that's expensive and of dubious value if it props up house prices.

Above my pay grade.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Mr Vince runs an eco-energy company, what a bastard!

See also the proper left. The millionaires are in charge blah blah.

As opposed to a bunch of people who thought Jez was a winner. Twice.

[Youngian]

Vince is part of Matt Goodwin’s corporate woke conspiracy. Do-gooder executives who remove golliwogs from jam jars.

[kreuzberger]

Aren't tuition fees just another must-have with Brexit? You can have both or neither because that's the way that these inconvenient sums work when sitting on an increasingly uncomfortable fence (two days before what will be seen as a bellwether election.)

It is looking like a solid Labour base is being poked to the max in favour of courting a handful of deplorable votes. Realistic or timid? Call it what you might, but a faint-heart never won a fair lady's hand - or successfully transported a Ming vase to its final destination.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit makes it harder but my impression from Big Glen up there is that universities were stuck for money anyway, with costs rising and fees not much more than what they were a decade ago. The ones that have lots of working class students and which help with levelling up areas are the most exposed. Sunak and co would happily tell those universities to fuck off, but that shouldn’t be Labour policy.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Sir Keir will doubtless get shit from all sides, but Cameron got away with promising all sorts of spending to « detoxify the brand » then rowing back because « Labour’s mess na na ». Quite why Sir Keir shouldn’t be allowed to do the same, I don’t know.

« Events, dear boy »

[Youngian]

Self employed and small business directors have options others don’t in regards to student debt. Accountants can shuffle £40K annum down to below the repayment threshold without even resorting to shifty scams.
And if you avoid tax by squirreling away revenue in ISAs and child savings accounts, you can accrue a handy defacto state subsidy after 18 years for your kid’s uni costs.

[Tubby Isaacs]

That's basically taking lower income though, isn't it? Sure, you pay less tax, but you have less money.

[The Weeping Angel]

There seems to be this curious narrative around Starmer's ratings that isn't in relation to the actual numbers.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Starmer leads on net approval, but funnily enough the PM leads on being PM.

[mattomac]

*In some of the polls….

Net approval is key, the most recent one today Starmer is something like net 4/5 and Sunak is net minus 11.

[Crabcakes]

I’ll be grateful when Labour are in power and the conversation can safely move on. But it does appear that Starmer’s strategy to not talk about reversing or undoing brexit (yet) has done its job.

[Youngian]

But it does appear that Starmer’s strategy to not talk about reversing or undoing brexit (yet) has done its job.

Tories were always going to get the bullet for Brexit but did Keir taking Labour off the radar concentrate minds sooner? Looks like it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Hardly anyone cares about the European Court of Justice, free trade deals or setting our own standards on everything. The only thing that's unpopular with the EU would be freedom of movement, which probably rules out the Single Market. How far can you recreate the trade openness by shadowing EU rules?

[Tubby Isaacs]