[Malcolm Armsteen]

Sadly, not.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgR0nzS ... _Q&index=7

"You can't write Johnson off until he's been buried at the crossroads with a stake through his heart"
"He has no place in public life"
Max Hastings

{Don't seem able to do a direct link}

[Abernathy]

The Commons privileges committee is not a judicial body, but a parliamentary body. In arriving at a decision as to whether Johnson lied to parliament deliberately (that he lied to parliament is not in dispute, the point at issue is whether or not he was lying honestly and sincerely), it will not therefore be relying on the criminal standard of proof : “beyond reasonable doubt”. The committee is made up of seven highly experienced parliamentarians who will, instead be relying on their own judgement and experience to decide on Johnson’s guilt or innocence on the basis of the lesser standard of “the balance of probabilities”. This of course is not stopping Johnson’s fan club from attempting to propagate the spurious notion that the standard of “beyond reasonable doubt” is what is required of the committee.

What it boils down to, therefore is this: Do the members of the committee believe Johnson’s claim that when he lied to parliament, he was merely doing so because he sincerely believed in the truth of what he was saying?

He is Boris Johnson. Case closed.

[Bones McCoy]

There's been a lot of goalpost shifting (mostly by Johnson and his dwindling fanbase).

I thought the matter under consideration was not lying (proved on several occasions), or even its premeditation.
The committee seemed most interested in a failure to correct the record in good time.

Of course, I could be wrong - can the learned watchers here correct me?

[satnav]

Presumably after Johnson made statements in the house about parties in Downing Street some of his officials will have quickly told him that his answers were factually incorrect. If Johnson then failed to correct the record it does make it look like he has deliberately lied and did so to save his own skin.

[Abernathy]

No, the central issue has always been that of lying to (or “misleading”) parliament intentionally. That is the sort of prime commandment on all parliamentarians, and is very, very serious. The failure to correct the record at the earliest opportunity is actually part of the ministerial code (itself finalised and implemented by Johnson), and also something the Privileges Committee takes an extremely dim view of.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Nolan.

(Just been looking at codes of conduct for school governors, they all start with it)

1. The Seven Principles of Public Life
The Seven Principles of Public Life (also known as the Nolan Principles) apply to anyone who works as a public office-holder. This includes all those who are elected or appointed to public office, nationally and locally, and all people appointed to work in the Civil Service, local government, the police, courts and probation services, non-departmental public bodies (NDPBs), and in the health, education, social and care services. All public office-holders are both servants of the public and stewards of public resources. The principles also apply to all those in other sectors delivering public services.

1.1 Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.

1.2 Integrity
Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence them in their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

1.3 Objectivity
Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.

1.4 Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to the scrutiny necessary to ensure this.

1.5 Openness
Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for so doing.

1.6 Honesty
Holders of public office should be truthful.

1.7 Leadership
Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour and treat others with respect. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.

[MisterMuncher]

There's still a lot of fog being generated today that it's just about the parties and that's why he got sacked.

If anything, it kind of proves exactly how dishonest he is, and how everything remains about seizing the narrative

[Malcolm Armsteen]

So how many of those principles did the bloviating lardarse break?

[davidjay]

So how many of those principles did the bloviating lardarse break?

Each day?

[Spoonman]

On a slight side note, I remember a few months back a Belfast based journalist mentioned that in nearly all cases if you wrote an article for his paper and even gave a sniff of saying that someone wasn't being truthful with their conduct etc. it would get sent to the newspaper's lawyers for legal proofing before being returned back to the editor (especially as NI libel laws were not updated like they were in England & Wales a decade or so ago) but that if it was about Bo... erm, Alex Johnson then his editor was happy enough to take his word for it that Johnson was lying about something & didn't even bother getting the paper's legal team to go over anything on it.

Johnson has effectively come to the point in his life whereby even if someone comes out with a quite outrageous allegation about him that would be regarded as a slam-dunk defamation for most people, the chances of him winning in court are badly hampered by the fact that he has pretty much very little good reputation left to be harmed.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

On that point...

[Bones McCoy]

An interesting resource here: Quotations and fact checks.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

The majority of quotes appear to be form Truss / Kwarteng.

[Crabcakes]

And this is before election winner Boris Johnson works his magic

[Watchman]

On that point...

I “liked” the Fragrant Fiona’s introduction to the vote, along the lines of “you’ll all amongst friends here”

[mattomac]

Probably should have gone with Johnson doesn’t know what the truth or a lie is.

It would have been better than what they did go with.

[Oboogie]

I “liked” the Fragrant Fiona’s introduction to the vote, along the lines of “you’ll all amongst friends here”

She was pointing out the true significance of the vote, that's an audience containing a lot of people who voted for Johnson.

[Watchman]

Thanks
I didn’t realise the context, although how did she know

[Watchman]

Glad to see my MP has her finger on the nation’s pulse

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[Oboogie]

Thanks
I didn’t realise the context, although how did she know

The audience is selected to reflect the vote at the last election, they ask how you voted when you apply for tickets.