[Boiler]

Sorry, what has Sarah Vile said and where?

Oh, how I miss Kobel's input on this matter... (not)

[mattomac]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... -Keir.html

[Tubby Isaacs]

More razor sharp analysis by Laura, who's never heard of the price cap or Ofgem. by the look of it. They can't "charge what they like" now, Laura.

Where would a nationalized energy company source its cheaper fuel? Bills could only be made much cheaper by the government subsidizing them. Guess what, we can do that now.

[Abernathy]

Nationalisation, for the Trots, has taken on a new life well beyond simply being quite a good idea for certain service sector industries and utilities, to being the absolute knee-jerk, catch-all, article-of-faith answer to everything for the Trotskyist cult. It wouldn’t be stretching it to describe it as a rather ridiculous fetish.

Nationalisation isn’t a bad idea per se. It just isn’t the universal perfect answer to everything that the Trots think it is.

[Boiler]

They can't really be harking back to the days of Citizen Clem, surely?

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's populism. When you're stuck defending Jez foreign policy, you snatch hold of anything more popular.

[mattomac]

Yeah when Reeves was announcing the Green fund I think last summer you got simple tweets from Beckett and the like you know what’s greener “nationalisation” and I was like how?

Of course this lot can never make the connection, to nationalise you need power, to gain power you need to compromise to compromise you need not to be such a dick.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Thanks for this genius, Jez fans. No wonder you think Sir Keir's a hopeless sell out if you get your information from sources like this. Sadly that's pretty much everyone BTL.

You pay tax on profits, in the UK and Norway. Your profits are calculated after expenses of doing business.

In Norway, the oil field is producing now, making profits. Hence the tax payment. In the UK, the field has stopped producing. When it was in the past, it paid tax. Now it isn't it gets tax back on the cost of decommissioning. Almost certainly exactly the same thing will happen in Norway when it's decommissioned.

[Boiler]

Still sounds like she's a Viz character.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Old fave. War is Ukraine's fault.

This is "had the victim not gone out to a disco, and not got drunk on sambucas" stuff.

Extra down mark for not knowing what "ad hominem" is. It's no more ad hominem that Willamson's own post.

[Crabcakes]

Nationalisation isn’t a bad idea per se. It just isn’t the universal perfect answer to everything that the Trots think it is.

I suspect it’s in part a mindset based in it being a start to something bigger. To hideously misquote Yoda, “Nationalisation leads to unions. Unions leads to strikes. Strikes lead to revolution”

[Boiler]

“Nationalisation leads to unions. Unions leads to strikes. Strikes lead to the dead going unburied”

FTFY.

[Crabcakes]

Dreams vs reality

[mattomac]

Thankfully a few of these aren’t Labour MPs anymore.

Weirdly at the exact point Starmer was dismissing a revolution, I was reading about the Russian one.

[Tubby Isaacs]

There was criticism of the Tory energy plan for being a bit of a slow burner on energy costs. So is nationalisation, if it works at all. Railtrack was a bad idea, and rightly renationalised by Blair, but I think costs rose initially. Where's Jez going to get cheaper oil and gas from too? And do you even need to nationalise the whole shooting match to do the other things he wants?

[Bones McCoy]

“Nationalisation leads to unions. Unions leads to strikes. Strikes lead to the dead going unburied”

FTFY.

As do poorly handled pandemics.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Jesus, Clive. You think this is like... what? Orban? Trump?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Ukraine besieging its own city as a false flag?

[RedSparrows]

I've not read or listened to Scott Ritter, but I saw some other useful idiot quoting him, some classic YouTuber contrarian who clearly thought everyone else was a total idiot before giving a badly thought out argument for why Russia is amazing in this war, thereby proving conclusively he was the idiot all along.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Seeing I put Chris WIlliamson on here, I might as well put Hoey as well.