[kreuzberger]

Sourdough? Do fuck off.

That's pretty close to a red card offence!

There ain't much that can top a hunk of Altamura*, drenched with peaty Umbrian oil and sprinkled with posh salt.

* The Turkish variant from our local market, at 4€ a kilo, runs a close second.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Tend to agree. Never been one for the Mothers' Pride...

[Boiler]

"Ploughperson" is a bit silly and uninventive (personally, I'd have gone with non-gender-specific agricultural worker), but I'm pretty sure that, far from being an ancient tradition, the ploughman's lunch was a marketing invention of the 'sixties.

Some suggestion that it was the Milk Marketing Board in/around 1960. A pub near to where I was born claimed to have invented it after the war.

[mattomac]

Yeah was suggested it pushed up cheese sales, was on a quiz on tv so I assume it’s probably factual and they can’t find it’s usage before then.

Anyhow it again has nothing to do with the word “woke”. Let’s face it their issues this week have been with a Pub whose sign actually pointed out they were talking shit, and MP who visited one area of the Barbican and fancied advertising their stupidity to the world and a menu in a pub.

When they come up with something that isn’t bollocks I might listen but they have ended up in the same area as the “Christmas is cancelled” lot, thankfully Easter is close by so it might keep them entertained for a week or so.

The problem is the idea that you run an election campaign based on culture wars and that Labour need a response is making me feel a bit meh, is this just twitter thinking of it’s self importance again?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Lucy Allan didn't visit the Barbican. She's claiming somebody sent her an email about it. That way she gets to leave it up and say "just passing on concerns".

[Killer Whale]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... ns-to-menu

On Monday, local female farmers sprung to the pub’s defence, with one, Michaela Reddaway, posing for a photo with a pitchfork and chickens in front of the pub. She farms sheep and cattle and has worked in agriculture since she was a child, when she helped out her grandparents.

[Tubby Isaacs]

At one time it sounded silly to say "chair" or "chairwoman" instead of "chairman". It's not sounded silly for about 30 years because we started to notice that women could chair meetings. But we haven't abolished the word "chairman" either in that time.

Will "ploughperson" catch on? Probably not, but it doesn't sound silly if you understand the point the pub owner was making. They may or may not call it a ploughperson's lunch in the future, I don't know.

One thing missing from this is the argument that "It's my fucking pub, and I just wanted you to think about people who work on farms (and have always worked on farms, look at some old paintings). If that's too much for you, then..."

[Malcolm Armsteen]

It's not meant to 'catch on'. That's pretty much the point.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I dunno. Assume that the person who changed the name would probably like it if it did, and more people thought about the role of women in farming. But it doesn't have to, it's just a fun thing somebody has done in their own pub.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

It was a joke. Spoof. Satire. Punne.

Not a political or marketing ploy.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It was a joke. Spoof. Satire. Punne.

Not a political or marketing ploy.

It wasn't satire. It's not satirizing non-sexist language or anything, like hilarious Johnson''s joke in front of Jamie Wallis was.

There's a serious point, albeit made lightheartedly. That's one of the things people don't get about this stuff, it doesn't have to be done in a "compulsory Newspeak" kind of way. The people who make it into that, who doubtless think they're clever and humorous, are the complete opposite.

It wasn't deliberate marketing, I'm sure, but it's probably made all of us here look favourably on the pub.

[Youngian]

I have no idea what the woman reference is but he sounds a bitter man with the ladies

[mattomac]

Suppose it’s in relation to that MP. The fact they still feel they can be in a government led by that homophobic transphobic Johnson is the more confusing thing to me.

[davidjay]

If you were a socialist and you regularly got the approval of a load of right-wing nutters, would you think you might just possibly be getting a few things wrong?

[Samanfur]

I have the same thoughts about the speculation in the Mail and Express about Rosie Duffield crossing the floor.

Deciding to sit as an independent or join the Lib Dems would be a different matter, but if she were to genuinely feel that she has more in common with the Tories under Johnson, it'd say more about her than her position on trans rights.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I don't think the Lib Dems would want her. There's a great bit in the seventies remake of The 39 Steps, where fugitive Robert Powell has to pretend he's a Liberal politician, and proceeds to waffle unconvincingly about "What is a Liberal?" They've always been like that. But I don't see Rosie Duffield fitting in. Tim Farron's gay sex disaster in 2017 was bad enough for them, they can't fuck about on social liberal reform.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I have no idea what the woman reference is but he sounds a bitter man with the ladies

[Tubby Isaacs]

This is where Paul got it from, by the look of it.

Is there a single member of the "woke left" or whatever who doesn't want him to lose at the next election?

[Andy McDandy]

You can sympathise to a point. I'd not wish rape on anyone, but at the same time I think Wallis is an odious twat and a pimp.

Saint? No.

[RedSparrows]

I really doubt many of the 'woke' have embraced him wholeheartedly...