[The Weeping Angel]

[Youngian]

What I think when I read that is… are they gaslighting them as well?

The Baltic deployment began under David Cameron’s premiership. Like Romney and McCain, Hague and Cameron’s reputations may come out of this war rather well.

The move comes as NATO and defence chiefs meet in Brussels amid heightened concern over the actions of Russia in Syria and eastern Ukraine.

With Russian fighter jets and warships now directly involved in the Syrian conflict there has been a rapid escalation in the crisis and a further deterioration in relations between Moscow and NATO.

The repeated incursion into Turkish airspace of Russian aircraft conducting attacks on targets in Syria is expected to be unanimously condemned by NATO ministers.

Yesterday Russian warships fired cruise missiles 'in anger' for the first time in history. Launched from the Caspian Sea they travelled over Iran and Iraq before hitting rebel and Islamic State targets in Syria. https://www.forces.net/services/tri-ser ... tic-states

[mattomac]

Helping to train up their army and supplying them with equipment not to mention supplying them with weapons isn't gaslighting.

There was very few actual sources that is my issue.

If truth be told the wash of Oligarch money frightens me and the fact up til now concerns over Russian interference has been dismissed by the very people who are now running the show.

I’ll stick to the BBC.

[mattomac]

What I think when I read that is… are they gaslighting them as well?

The Baltic deployment began under David Cameron’s premiership. Like Romney and McCain, Hague and Cameron’s reputations may come out of this war rather well.

The move comes as NATO and defence chiefs meet in Brussels amid heightened concern over the actions of Russia in Syria and eastern Ukraine.

With Russian fighter jets and warships now directly involved in the Syrian conflict there has been a rapid escalation in the crisis and a further deterioration in relations between Moscow and NATO.

The repeated incursion into Turkish airspace of Russian aircraft conducting attacks on targets in Syria is expected to be unanimously condemned by NATO ministers.

Yesterday Russian warships fired cruise missiles 'in anger' for the first time in history. Launched from the Caspian Sea they travelled over Iran and Iraq before hitting rebel and Islamic State targets in Syria. https://www.forces.net/services/tri-ser ... tic-states

Thank you, I’m not expecting my government to be appalling but I do expect a piece that is entitled what is the Government doing well/badly to have a bit more information.

[Boiler]

Without comment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-60630351

[Malcolm Armsteen]

It was fucking ridiculous Serb fucking nationalism that started all this fucking mess.

[Boiler]

It was fucking ridiculous Serb fucking nationalism that started all this fucking mess.

Right back in 1914...

[Malcolm Armsteen]

That's what I said.

[Boiler]

Before it was banned, a notorious far-right website had three major geographic sub-divisions: the US, the UK... and Serbia.

I'm absolute rubbish at history - have they always been like this?

[Boiler]

From coverage of pro-Ukrainian demo in Trafalgar Square today:

[Boiler]

[Youngian]

Although there’s nothing amusing about Viktor Orban, the Visegrad Twitter team put together some witty responses at Russia’s expense.

[Bones McCoy]

What I think when I read that is… are they gaslighting them as well?

20,000 snipers.



"Sniper" being another of those terms the press use inaccurately to induce hard-ons (See also tank an special forces).

Usually applied to anybody carrying a rifle.

[Andy McDandy]

Yeah, all a bit Super Army Soldiers.

[Youngian]

Before it was banned, a notorious far-right website had three major geographic sub-divisions: the US, the UK... and Serbia.

I'm absolute rubbish at history - have they always been like this?

Like Russia and England their nationalism is based on bogus victimhood of a once great power betrayed by internal liberal forces and foreigners taking advantage. The idea of sitting around a table co-operating with neighbours instead of a divine right to give the orders, doesn’t come easy to the many arseholes in these three countries.

[The Weeping Angel]

Another example of Russian military incompetence.

I'd really recommend following Jimmy he's been a gold mine of useful information.

[Youngian]

Another example of Russian military incompetence.

I'd really recommend following Jimmy he's been a gold mine of useful information.

I can see how that shortcut seemed like a good idea after half a bottle of vodka.

This former army logistics guy also makes some insightful observations

[Boiler]

So, just 50 Ukrainian refugees have been granted a visa by the UK.

That'll keep the Brexiteers of Lincolnshire* happy.

*other counties are available.

For amusement, and Heaven knows we need it, Mark Steel is on form here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0014xy6

[kreuzberger]

After Friday's drama of numbers at Berlin Hbf, today has been a rather more personal affair.

We have taken the train from Freilassing - just inside the DE/AT border - and travelled cross-country to Regensburg. It's a trip of about three hours in total.

There were plenty of people at Freilassing, a camera crew and perhaps seventy cops and border officials. This, on a Sunday, when they don't even bother to open the caff at the station. Things seemed to be progressing quite seamlessly despite the presumed language issues.

"Papers" - details noted - "welcome to Germany and have a safe onward trip."

But, fuck me, these souls looked worn out. Because of the central European rail set up, it is probably reasonable to assume that they have arrived via the south-western routes out of UA and then onward via Bratislava. Most won't have seen a bed or a shower in the best part of a week. A few got on our train and promptly fell asleep.

We changed trains at Landshut to pick up the Munich > Prague service. There were plenty more people with unusually large amounts of luggage, and subdued children hanging like limp fruit from every limb.

Now, I have no idea why Ukrainians would be taking such a seemingly circuitous route to get to in to CZ, but I do know that, if you need to get out of Dodge, you do it by any means possible. I also can't be certain that this concentrated mass were even Ukrainian but, if that was a Prager accent, I am Jan Hus. Also, on Sundays, the flow is generally in the other direction as workers return to the greater Munich area.

Thank you for reading this far, perhaps in the hope that there is a reason for this post. There isn't. It is just a personal observation and a quite tribute to the stoic determination of everyone from anywhere who merely wanted to find a bed and safely tuck their kids in to it for the night.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

It is just a personal observation and a quite tribute to the stoic determination of everyone from anywhere who merely wanted to find a bed and safely tuck their kids in to it for the night.

And thank you for it.