[MisterMuncher]

Boris pulling the restrictions and ending up snuffing Brenda would be quite the development.

[Boiler]

He would blame it on her not taking personal responsibility.

[Bones McCoy]

Boris pulling the restrictions and ending up snuffing Brenda would be quite the development.

And ushers in Queen Camilla.

[Watchman]

Or the nightmare scenario, Brenda, Chas and Anne succumb to the ‘rona, who’s next in line?
Just rethinking that, if Chad goes does it then immediately fall to William?

[Boiler]

Just rethinking that, if Chad goes does it then immediately fall to William?

Yes: if Her Maj survived but Chas went down, William would become the heir. If both Liz and Chas bought it, William would become King, but whether he'd take the name William to the throne is another matter - we know that if/when Charles becomes King, it's believed his regnal name will be George VII. If William uses his name, he'll be William V.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit ... coronation

[Watchman]

For a few seconds there I had the image of the “formally know as Prince” getting the gig!

[Oboogie]

For a few seconds there I had the image of the “formally know as Prince” getting the gig!

Me too. I was wondering if William's succession was dependent upon his father becoming King. My understanding is that the heir to the throne is the monarch's eldest child. If Charles were to die before the Queen, Anne would be the Monarch's eldest living child.
However, at the time of their birth, the succession followed the male line so Anne was elbowed out by her younger brothers. I know that rule was changed about 20 years ago, but would it be applied retrospectively?

[Boiler]

@Oboogie, It's a question that has seemingly been asked many times in recent months but the general consensus is that it goes to William. Maybe the change in primogeniture will apply from William onwards?

[davidjay]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

[Oboogie]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

I know. I was pondering what would happen if the eldest predeceases the Monarch and therefore never becomes the Monarch themselves, does eldest grandchild trump eldest child?

[kreuzberger]

"King Andy I" would surely be fitting for the UK as she lurches amorally towards the middle part of the current century. I would also put the final title to the public vote and revel in the expectation of him, forever more, being known as Noncey McNonceface.

That neatly encapsulates up the sum total of my interest in these matters. If, on the other hand, the ginger kid and the Black chick were in with a shout...

[Boiler]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

I know. I was pondering what would happen if the eldest predeceases the Monarch and therefore never becomes the Monarch themselves, does eldest grandchild trump eldest child?

At the moment, it appears to be "eldest son of eldest son", which isn't quite the same thing.

[Andy McDandy]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

I know. I was pondering what would happen if the eldest predeceases the Monarch and therefore never becomes the Monarch themselves, does eldest grandchild trump eldest child?

Yes. See Richard II, or George III.

[Oboogie]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

I know. I was pondering what would happen if the eldest predeceases the Monarch and therefore never becomes the Monarch themselves, does eldest grandchild trump eldest child?

Yes. See Richard II, or George III.

Thank you. Now I can think about something more interesting.

[davidjay]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

I know. I was pondering what would happen if the eldest predeceases the Monarch and therefore never becomes the Monarch themselves, does eldest grandchild trump eldest child?

It must, otherwise presumably we'd have heard of it by now.

And this explains a lot, including the male line stuff. https://www.royal.uk/succession

[Boiler]

And this explains a lot, including the male line stuff. https://www.royal.uk/succession

Brilliant, ta for that - I did wonder if that was the place we should have looked at first...

[Malcolm Armsteen]

If I may quote the Archbishop of Canterbury:



Then hear me, gracious sovereign, and you peers,
That owe yourselves, your lives and services
To this imperial throne. There is no bar
To make against your highness' claim to France
But this, which they produce from Pharamond,
'In terram Salicam mulieres ne succedant:'
'No woman shall succeed in Salique land:'
Which Salique land the French unjustly gloze
To be the realm of France, and Pharamond
The founder of this law and female bar.
Yet their own authors faithfully affirm
That the land Salique is in Germany,
Between the floods of Sala and of Elbe;
Where Charles the Great, having subdued the Saxons,
There left behind and settled certain French;
Who, holding in disdain the German women
For some dishonest manners of their life,
Establish'd then this law; to wit, no female
Should be inheritrix in Salique land:
Which Salique, as I said, 'twixt Elbe and Sala,
Is at this day in Germany call'd Meisen.
Then doth it well appear that Salique law
Was not devised for the realm of France:
Nor did the French possess the Salique land
Until four hundred one and twenty years
After defunction of King Pharamond,
Idly supposed the founder of this law;
Who died within the year of our redemption
Four hundred twenty-six; and Charles the Great
Subdued the Saxons, and did seat the French
Beyond the river Sala, in the year
Eight hundred five. Besides, their writers say,
King Pepin, which deposed Childeric,
Did, as heir general, being descended
Of Blithild, which was daughter to King Clothair,
Make claim and title to the crown of France.
Hugh Capet also, who usurped the crown
Of Charles the duke of Lorraine, sole heir male
Of the true line and stock of Charles the Great,
To find his title with some shows of truth,
'Through, in pure truth, it was corrupt and naught,
Convey'd himself as heir to the Lady Lingare,
Daughter to Charlemain, who was the son
To Lewis the emperor, and Lewis the son
Of Charles the Great. Also King Lewis the Tenth,
Who was sole heir to the usurper Capet,
Could not keep quiet in his conscience,
Wearing the crown of France, till satisfied
That fair Queen Isabel, his grandmother,
Was lineal of the Lady Ermengare,
Daughter to Charles the foresaid duke of Lorraine:
By the which marriage the line of Charles the Great
Was re-united to the crown of France.
So that, as clear as is the summer's sun.
King Pepin's title and Hugh Capet's claim,
King Lewis his satisfaction, all appear
To hold in right and title of the female:
So do the kings of France unto this day;
Howbeit they would hold up this Salique law
To bar your highness claiming from the female,
And rather choose to hide them in a net
Than amply to imbar their crooked titles
Usurp'd from you and your progenitors.

[Bones McCoy]

It's eldest, followed by their eldest and so on in a direct line, otherwise surely TNFKAP would have been second in line.

I know. I was pondering what would happen if the eldest predeceases the Monarch and therefore never becomes the Monarch themselves, does eldest grandchild trump eldest child?

At the moment, it appears to be "eldest son of eldest son", which isn't quite the same thing.

It's what we computer dorks call a "depth first search", so they go down the generations, eldest kid - as opposed to next eldest sibling.

That probably makes a lot of sense back in history.
Your kid brother is generally better placed to off you than your eldest son - so don't dangle a crown to encourage him.

It's quite a contrast to the west Asian "Throne or Coffin" model, and possibly explains a lot about European hegemony by the 18th century, and after.

[Oboogie]

It's what we computer dorks call a "depth first search", so they go down the generations, eldest kid - as opposed to next eldest sibling.

That probably makes a lot of sense back in history.
Your kid brother is generally better placed to off you than your eldest son - so don't dangle a crown to encourage him.

It's quite a contrast to the west Asian "Throne or Coffin" model, and possibly explains a lot about European hegemony by the 18th century, and after.

Yeah, I'd never thought about it before so I'd never realised that the heir to the throne didn't have to be a child of the Monarch.

[Cyclist]

Sam Vimes' Boot Theory is tested and proven.

The Queen has worn the same shoes for decades and they even have their own staff

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/n ... 723734.amp

It must be nice to be able to afford footwear that lasts that long, and employ staff to look after them.