[Nigredo]

Kwasi Kwarteng was fairly unconvincing in the BBC1 climate change panel last night.

[Rosvanian]

The DM is all all over COP26 of course, publishing countless articles all with the same cynical, mocking, "we know better" tone. Commentators are appropriately triggered to almost unanimously howl that the conference is a charade and that man made climate change is a hoax. and that the climate "changes constantly". The thing is, does it actually matter what the DM and the Telegraph and their readers think ?

[Andy McDandy]

In the grand scheme of things, no. But you can bet your bottom dollar that it'll be someone like Littlejohn kicking away the gangplank into the ark the moment he barges on board.

[kreuzberger]

Not since Colin Kaepernick or John Lydon (men of varied enduring talents), or Malala has anyone elicited a Gammon response like Thunberg.

Personally, were she my daughter, my heart would be bursting with pride at what this woman has done in a few short years.

That charisma is born of something which I think I might be able to put my finger on. It is that, physically, she personifies the fragility of all that she holds so close to her cause. Yet, that inner determination represents the mettle that is needed to drive climate change. It leaves the gammon bereft of comebacks. They can't argue from the position of impotence and irrelevance that is washed over by her bow-wave and which, conversely, empowers her followers.

Bla-bla-bla trumps the Spice Girls' zigga-zig-ah by a factor of, I dunno, infinity?

Even the graphics are stunningly on the money.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Does Johnson's coalition care about this "green crap" (as cuddly Cameron called it)? I know he probably doesn't mean much of it, but it's odd that he's going there at all, in some ways. Have they seen some polls that has his saner voters clearing off to the Lib Dems otherwise?

I suppose he might as well, the Reform Party aren't going to have him quaking in his boots.

[kreuzberger]

Of course it's bollocks. All that dismissive "green crap" insolence came after Paris so there is precedent which speaks to and for the tory soul. Only when the Duke of Westminster and the Crown Estates get a nasty dose of the shits will the climate become an issue.

Coincidentally, that will be comfortably beyond the point at which it is accepted that the costs should be socialised, just like the abolition of slavery.

[mattomac]

Bolosarno was chirruping how he is a Green Saviour…. Got to laugh.

[Youngian]

Does Johnson's coalition care about this "green crap" (as cuddly Cameron called it)? I know he probably doesn't mean much of it, but it's odd that he's going there at all, in some ways. Have they seen some polls that has his saner voters clearing off to the Lib Dems otherwise?

I suppose he might as well, the Reform Party aren't going to have him quaking in his boots.

Its was like a Corbyn EURef performance, had to be there but didn't want to be. But plenty of red meat for his base; Staggering music hall drunk schtick, 'James Bond blah blah,' winding up the mask wearing wokes. When his mate Trump's back in 2024, he'll act like an even more embarassing cunt in front of the world.
Why Johnson agreed to an interview with Christiane Amanpour is a mystery. She does't do giggling to alleged jokes.

[Tubby Isaacs]

She does a great face towards the end.

[Boiler]

Cunt's got one of those extra-long "Trump Ties", hasn't he?

[Mr angry Manchester]

I am in a minority of probably one on here in that I think a lot of this climate stuff is exaggerated bullshit.

Ironically, in view of this, I lead a fairly green lifestyle. I don't have a car any more, it packed up and I can't afford to replace it so I get about on public transport and my pedal bike. I never fly, don't have a passport. I rarely buy new stuff, I make do with second hand things a lot of the time.
Minimum wage jobs force this on you

[Tubby Isaacs]

Nice to see you back!

[The Weeping Angel]

I'm waiting for the day XR or Insulate Britain blames Isreal for Climate Change.

[Nigredo]

I am in a minority of probably one on here in that I think a lot of this climate stuff is exaggerated bullshit.

Would you mind going expanding on this a bit? I'm not trying to have a pop at you, just curious as to your views.

[Mr angry Manchester]

I agree with the greens on one or two points, I don't like wasteful throw away consumerism and I don't like development on green belt land, that , I feel is the cause of a lot of the floods.

But, the green lot I think use a lot of hyperbole and scaremongering, "the world is on fire" "we are all going to die" yeah right.

I am, unapologetic in that I am very sceptical about the whole thing, the climate changes of its own accord, how much is natural?

I am uncomfortable with the fact that it's been turned into a cult and it's becoming increasingly authoritarian, unbelievers are vilified as heretics, it's got the feeling of a new quasi religion to control the masses. Politicians see an opportunity to increase tax, the Tories have jumped on the bandwagon now that they see that money can be made, big business see it as an opportunity to sell costly green alternatives, the rent a gob, must protest about something brigade, have something new to mouth off about, often inconvenencing people going about their jobs, those insulate Britain wankers delayed me in my van on the M56 last week. The issue seems to attract the extremist political fringe, cranks and loons like moths to a flame.

World leaders flying in and using convoys of cars doesn't help, do as I say, not as I do.

Sorry, but I don't conform to the left/liberal groupthink on this issue and I tend to kick against propaganda, also I don't like cults.

[kreuzberger]

I am, unapologetic in that I am very sceptical about the whole thing, the climate changes of its own accord, how much is natural?

There's quite a lot to unpack here. I am not going to summarise the settled opinion of every scientist or research body on the planet which isn't in the pay of some really villainous forces. The climate is changing and the primary cause is an unprecedented rebalancing of the atmospheric conditions. Arguing against that is like claiming that the New York Dolls were not the best band in the history of the world. Some facts are just that. Facts.

I get it that 1.5° degrees doesn't sound like much but that is against the current (1990) level. Take that back to pre-industrial levels and you're talking big bucks. And yes, presuming it is "just the way of the world" and that pumping a gazillion tons of CO2 in to the atmosphere on a daily basis will have no impact, that "way of the world" is going to have catastrophic implications for vast population groups across the planet. People don't (generally) choose to live up mountains, they live by water and transport routes. Just another fact.

Indeed, it might well be that all that smarter eating and cleaner air will only add up to a happier, healthier population while vast tracts of the UK (and many areas further afield) were going to be swamped anyway. I doubt it but it is possible that everyone is wrong and only the rabid polluters and rapacious, predatory hedgies are right.

All I would say is that your missus' Daily Express is there for its absorbency and not for informed opinion.

[Mr angry Manchester]

Who the fuck are the New York Dolls?

[Crabcakes]

I am, unapologetic in that I am very sceptical about the whole thing, the climate changes of its own accord, how much is natural?

Did you type this on a computer, or a phone? Did you use a car or van for work? Have you been vaccinated?

If your answer to any of the above - and a whole swathe of other similar questions - is yes, then with the greatest of respect get your head out of your arse. If you’re happy to enjoy the benefits and luxuries of advanced science but suddenly think it’s all a bit iffy and questionable when it comes to something that asks *you* to contribute, and suddenly start finding reasons to doubt and the hypocrisy of others as a green light to not bother yourself or think it’s all a sham, then you’re not avoiding a cult or being sensibly sceptical or keeping an open mind. You’ve just decided you don’t care and constructed a narrative that soothes your conscience about it.

Sorry if that’s blunt, but I am sick of people deciding something as real as gravity isn’t actually a thing because they might have to listen to people who know more than they do about science, when they’re surrounded by the myriad benefits - including for many literally being alive to be able to be sceptical in the first place - that science has provided.

It is real. It is happening. It can be mitigated if we act now. That’s it. No easy way out, no comforting “maybe it won’t be bad”. So unless you’ve got a spare planet knocking about, it may be time to consider the notion that perhaps people who have studied this for decades may actually know what they’re on about.

[Mr angry Manchester]

The all powerful and omnipresent cult has spoken, all dissent will be crushed.

Fuck this, cya

[kreuzberger]

Who the fuck are the New York Dolls?

There's a pattern emerging.