[Cyclist]

I am not prepared to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who is a member of a subset that has already done so much damage to the Labour Party. Stupid is as stupid does. If she's that thick she should stay out of the limelight, and not allowing yourself to be photographed beside anti-police extremists would be a fucking good start.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's not like she waved one of those SWP typeface banners about or spoke in front of a tankie flag. I don't think this will do any damage to Labour.

[The Weeping Angel]

It's not like she waved one of those SWP typeface banners about or spoke in front of a tankie flag. I don't think this will do any damage to Labour.

On it's own it won't but Sultana in my view is a liability.

[Arrowhead]

Oh god she's a fucking liability. I saw her on Politics Midlands and she was just fucking dreadful.

Isn’t she generally regarded as the best of the 2019 Corbynista intake? She’s only appeared on my radar a couple of times, but she seemed okay?

Admittedly, this was a careless mistake on her behalf.

[Cyclist]

It's not like she waved one of those SWP typeface banners about or spoke in front of a tankie flag. I don't think this will do any damage to Labour.

But it's not a one-off incident. Corbynites know the "MSM" is hostile to the Labour Party - that is, after all, a constant whine of theirs. So, knowing the media is hostile *should* make them more careful about the image they portray. All these one-off incidents are linked together by a media who are more than happy to do the Self-Servatives job for them. Anyone who is so careless as to give the hostile media ammunition to fire at the Labour Party is too stupid to be allowed out without a minder and / or wilfully trying to undermine the Party leadership. Sultana is most probably more on the stupid side but, being a self-avowed Corbynite, there is also the suspicion of "Starmer isn't St Jeremy of Islington North". Ok, readers of the Mail aren't likely to be thinking about voting Labour any time soon, but the churnalists at other "news" outlets will run this story. She may well have apologised for it, but the damage is already done. To the hostile media there are no one-off incidents. They get linked together so the "newspapers" can shriek "See! This is what they're like! Do you want these running your country?"

It might not be fair, but Labour MPs really *do* need to watch their every move in a way those of other parties don't.

[Boiler]

It might not be fair, but Labour MPs really *do* need to watch their every move in a way those of other parties don't.

Indeed - come away from here and head towards anything right-leaning and the accusations of left-wing hypocrisy come thick and fast, along with comments of "this is what they're really like", "who's the real nasty party?", "the so-called 'tolerant Left' ", that sort of thing. And people are more prepared to see the Left as hypocrites and nasty whilst turning a blind eye to the antics of the Right.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Isn’t she generally regarded as the best of the 2019 Corbynista intake? She’s only appeared on my radar a couple of times, but she seemed okay?

Admittedly, this was a careless mistake on her behalf.

I would say Nadia Whittome would be more highly regarded than Sultana, with a stronger nose for avoiding making herself look stupid.

Not that I think there's anything serious in this case, but I accept we won't agree.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It's not like she waved one of those SWP typeface banners about or spoke in front of a tankie flag. I don't think this will do any damage to Labour.

On it's own it won't but Sultana in my view is a liability.

I'm certainly no fan, but is anyone really bothering with this incident? People don't usually care too much about protests that don't block the M25 or kick off.

In her defence, she probably didn't know what ACAB stood for, I certainly didn't.

[Boiler]

In her defence, she probably didn't know what ACAB stood for, I certainly didn't.

Someone clearly knew what it meant on a forum I used to post on as I got kicked off for using it...

Slightly censored here, but I remember Annie Nightingale playing it on her request show:

[The Weeping Angel]

Oh god she's a fucking liability. I saw her on Politics Midlands and she was just fucking dreadful.

Isn’t she generally regarded as the best of the 2019 Corbynista intake? She’s only appeared on my radar a couple of times, but she seemed okay?

Admittedly, this was a careless mistake on her behalf.

That isn't exactly saying much, she has a history of saying, foolish and downright stupid things.

[Abernathy]

Corbynites know the "MSM" is hostile to the Labour Party - that is, after all, a constant whine of theirs. So, knowing the media is hostile *should* make them more careful about the image they portray.

This was one of the many and several reasons why Jeremy Corbyn was such a totally unsuitable individual to be Labour leader. Sure, every Labour leader gets it from the broadly hostile right-wing news media, but no other leader had the gargantuan train of questionable political baggage the size of a carousel at Heathrow that Corbyn had. The hacks at the Mail, Express, and Sun must have thought that all their Xmases had come at once.

And yet, the stupid fuckers still insisted on electing him - twice. And then we had the sheer idiocy of them complaining that the “MSM” were being uniquely nasty to Jez. It’s almost as if the Trots weren’t bright enough to consider the inevitability of this.

[Cyclist]

Russell Bowden, the Labour leader of Warrington Council, has been charged with three counts of providing false information to a registration officer.

He has also been charged with one count of providing a false statement in nomination papers.

Mr Bowden, who represents Birchwood, is due to appear before Crewe Magistrates' Court on 31 December.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-59348091

No comment as the man has to be presumed innocent of the charges until/unless a court has torn him a new one.

[Cyclist]

A Labour councillor has been suspended from the party pending an investigation into anti-Semitism allegations.

Jacky Nangreave, who represents Westcotes ward at Leicester City Council, was suspended over accusations about posts on her social media pages.

Labour Against Antisemitism said some posts claimed Jews were interfering in British politics, including leading a conspiracy against Jeremy Corbyn.

Ms Nangreave said the claims were "a misunderstanding"...


Labour Against Antisemitism has compiled a 16-page document of their allegations, including screenshots of a response to a Facebook post in which Ms Nangreave is alleged to have made under the account name Jacqueline Cryar.

Ms Nangreave has previously publicly declared support for other Labour Party members accused of anti-Semitism, including former MP Chris Williamson and Jackie Walker.

A Labour Party spokesperson said it could not comment on individual complaints but "takes all complaints of anti-Semitism extremely seriously and they are fully investigated in line with our rules and procedures".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-l ... e-59387129

Corbynites don't seem to like Jews very much. Must be this "Kinder Gentler Politics" their idol was so keen on.

[mattomac]

I doubt Starmer is losing much sleep over that one.

[Oboogie]

Ms Nangreave said the claims were "a misunderstanding"...

Oh, those Jews, getting the wrong end of the stick again....aren't they silly!

[The Weeping Angel]

Richard Burgon

https://capx.co/richard-burgons-views-o ... -politics/

Yet even knowing all this, I had till this week overestimated Burgon’s intelligence, as I’d looked merely at the evidence of his capabilities rather than anything deeper. On an LBC discussion yesterday, he was asked six times whether he believed the Chinese communist regime had committed genocide against the Uighur Muslim population of Xinjiang. Burgon’s response was that ‘there’s things that the government of the United States has done historically that we profoundly disagree with’, and spoke of Hiroshima. His response was worse than evasive. It was abhorrent.

I doubt that Burgon has given more than a moment’s thought to the Uighurs, but the evidence of grotesque atrocities against them is there if he cares to look for it. Amnesty reports have detailed these for almost 30 years. The statistical evidence of a precipitous collapse in birth rates among Uighurs in recent years confirms a pattern of savage repression, as do accounts of extra-judicial killings and official policy statements aiming at the mass institutionalisation of Uighur children and sterilisation of Uighur women. This is indeed a genocidal assault on a minority population.

Let’s try and put the best face possible on Burgon’s slipperiness. It’s possible, though not in my opinion accurate, to interpret the criteria for genocide so tightly as to exclude the campaign against the Uighurs. It is undoubtedly true that the Western democracies have committed errors, sins and outright crimes in pursuit of foreign policy goals. But to invoke the failings of our side to extenuate the far greater evils of repressive regimes is contemptible. It’s like saying that because the Roosevelt administration committed the shameful injustice of establishing internment camps for Japanese-Americans during the Second World War, Japan was innocent of atrocities across the captive populations of its empire. It’s a not just a non sequitur, but a foul and wicked position to hold.

With honourable exceptions, this sort of thing happens far too often on the radical left. Over many years I’ve been at pains to refute the lies of purported ‘anti-imperialists” who make common cause with right-wing Islamophobes to deny the atrocities of the Milosevic regime in Serbia. To this day, denialists of the genocide of 8,000 Bosnian Muslim men and boys at Srebrenica in 1995 churn out lies and libels, even though the numbers of victims can be almost exactly established, for the bodies have been found, exhumed and identified with DNA analysis. There are people – often literally the same people – who have gone on to deny the crimes of President Assad of Syria and now the repression of the Uighurs.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Compare and contrast.

[Tubby Isaacs]

£1.7bn is a lot of money, as Richard says and a serious failure of policy. But I'm not sure his preferred nationalization of every energy company is going to be that cheap.

The SNP recently dropped their plan to set up a national energy company. It might be a bit harder than it looks.

[Tubby Isaacs]

John isn't stupid. This is performative outflank Kieth stuff.

[Abernathy]

£1.7bn is a lot of money, as Richard says and a serious failure of policy. But I'm not sure his preferred nationalization of every energy company is going to be that cheap.

The SNP recently dropped their plan to set up a national energy company. It might be a bit harder than it looks.

Well, yes. The Far Left/Corbynite doctrine, or article of faith, that nationalisation is automatically good, needs to be questioned. It isn’t axiomatically true that utilities in public ownership will be better run or deliver a better service. I do agree that they are public services and should be run as such without the driving motivation of making a profit, but that could be achieved via better regulation - not necessarily via knee-jerk nationalisation.