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By Crabcakes
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Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:48 pm Here's where he was speaking - a Youth Centre in Nottingham...

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Apparently all the yoof was given a tenner and told to go to the pictures and several busloads of Tory councillors shipped in. And don't they look enthused?
Given the age demographic of their supporters, this could well be the youth wing of the Tory party…
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By Crabcakes
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Andy McDandy wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:11 pm Local elections are due on May 2nd. Any last minute giveaways won't help them. Not sure they'll be looking forward to canvassing in the autumn either.
Given Sunak isn’t exactly known for sticking to what he says, I suspect the local elections in May will be the trigger one way or another, but what way it’ll go could vary wildly depending on who has his ear. A shit performance could see him string it out in the hope of improvements OR go for it to stave off an embarrassing leadership challenge. A good performance could see him go early to capitalise on it OR delay it to make the most of it and hope things continue to improve based on a friendlier narrative.

Then again, a poor expected performance could see him go earlier than May to throw everything in together and hope national turnout bolsters local turnout and prevents protest vote.

Regardless, I think there’s ample scope for any ‘best case scenario’ choice to backfire, but very very little scope for things improving beyond expected. Though what I’m hoping for is the very, very worst case scenario - a piss-poor performance in May, a bitter, shoddy leadership challenge, Braverman installed as leader who ego pushes an early election and then an absolutely catastrophic campaign and total collapse, with the crowning achievement being she undertakes Truss as the PM with the shortest tenure ever - both marking her as an absolute useless failure and further heaping misery on Truss as not even managing to be notable as worst of the worst anymore.
By Youngian
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kreuzberger wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:46 pm
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:48 pm And don't they look enthused?
Why are old people so fucking angry and so fucking unpleasant?

I am going to be one of them soon, and I really am not looking forward to it.
Fear not, they’ve always been like that.
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By Watchman
#60226
My initial thought, Richie Rich “hopes” the May locals are a shitstorm, thus triggering a leadership contest, as that is the only way he can get out of his parliamentary duties and slope off to techbro-land. If he leaves it too later it’s not a good look if the current PM goes for the Chiltern Hundreds as a GE looms
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By Abernathy
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kreuzberger wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:46 pm
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:48 pm And don't they look enthused?
Why are old people so fucking angry and so fucking unpleasant?

I am going to be one of them soon, and I really am not looking forward to it.
When do you think the transition point is ? I speak as one currently mid way through his 65th revolution of the sun , ever more conscious of time’s winged chariot hurrying near.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#60233
I'm 74 and I've been angry and unpleasant since...

About 1964 I think.
By satnav
#60243
I'm a bit surprised that Sunak rocked up in Mansfield of all places today. Whilst he was clearly trying to upstage Starmer's event speech in Bristol, the local MP for Mansfield Ben Bradley seems to have all but given up on saving his seat at the next election. When Bradley failed to land a good ministerial job under Johnson he switched his attention to being a county councillor becoming the leader of Nottinghamshire County Council. Like many county councils Nottinghamshire is up to its neck in debt and embarking on a major programme of cost cutting.

With the Tories doing badly in the polls and Bradley implementing swinging cuts it is really hard to see how he will hold onto his seat.
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By kreuzberger
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I would suggest that most of us on here are rather angry, but it's the aged, tory, joyless bitterness that bothers me.

There is nothing in their lives that embodies hope or optimism, even if their tuppeny-ha'ppeny country pile is now worth squillions and their life's work will ease their grandchildren in to a life which is unattainable for so many.

They are utterly loathsome.
By davidjay
#60256
kreuzberger wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:46 pm
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:48 pm And don't they look enthused?
Why are old people so fucking angry and so fucking unpleasant?

I am going to be one of them soon, and I really am not looking forward to it.
Because life isn't as good as it used to be and it's all Their fault.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
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Because my joints hurt, my eyes are dodgy and my digestion is fucked. Things were better when I was young, and it's all the fault of those people whose joints don't hurt.

Non-comedic answer: intimations of imminent mortality, existential dread, the realisation of one's irrelevance in the big scheme, facing one's failures.
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By Crabcakes
#60266
kreuzberger wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:45 pm I would suggest that most of us on here are rather angry, but it's the aged, tory, joyless bitterness that bothers me.
For this group, it all comes down to fear. First, the fear of many of the aging population of anything new and different, because it’s often framed in a way that makes them feel wrong and inferior and that their life and what they thought were good morals have been a lie - so anything such as greater efforts toward equality, new ways of referring to people, old foes becoming if not friends then at least amicable acquaintances etc. And this becomes insidious when filtered through the Mail, Fox, and GB news - because rather than it just being increased enlightenment it’s framed as certain people want to change things specifically to get YOU. It’s this subset I have some sympathy for, because progress marches on and even at my age (48) I’m already feeling well past it when my soon to be teenage daughter talks about some stuff. But the key here is either embracing it or accepting it. Fighting it is what makes some people so bitter and scared.

Then there’s fear of fading influence, relevance and power - a real Tory trait. And what better way to convince yourself you’re still strong and still matter than to curtail someone else’s freedoms and make life worse for them?

Finally, fear of dying without leaving your mark. Look at the many of the world’s current crop of wannabe and actual dictators like Trump, Putin, Orban, Bolsonaro etc. - all middle aged to elderly*, many with clear signs of physical and cognitive decline, and all out to achieve the only immortality available to them: notoriety, justified under the veneer of doing what “the people” want. The worst figures from history all have one thing in common - we know who they are to this day. The ones who get on with just being good, decent leaders are rarely recalled so clearly, except when involved in defeating or undoing the work of one of history’s bad guys. Brexit is the ultimate mass population example of this - an in general terms older generation deliberately making things shitter for their kids and grandkids because they didn’t have a war to ‘own’, didn’t have a peace to forge, and so wanted something to be able to say “I was part of this. I changed the country. You will live in the world *I* made, not the one you want”. Little Putins carving the world new borders to make their mark (and ironically doing something the real - but equally little - Putin favoured).

*the exception here being Kim Jong Un, who is younger than average but essentially just an extension of his father (ahem)
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By Bones McCoy
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If you're 60 now, you'd have been a teenager / young adult during the mid-late 70s and '80s.

Elvis Died, Harry Webb was reduced to releasing Christmas Ballads.
Even white dogshit was on the way out.
Punks, New wave of British heavy metal, Two Tone, New Romantics, Synth Pop...
Everything was changing and you had an opportunity to be part of it.

If you're nostalgiing about Spitfires, newsreaders in Bow Ties and digging for Victory, you're recycling tropes of one or two generations before.
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By Malcolm Armsteen
#60271
Like how on TV they are always playing Glenn Miller in OAP homes, whereas in their day the inmates would have been listening to Gene Vincent and Cliff Richard...
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By Andy McDandy
#60273
The original Beatlemaniacs will be hitting 80. If Marty McFly took his trip back in time from today, he'd land in the strange world of 1994 with its references to East 17 and The Word. If you can remember the 60s, then be glad - you've not got dementia.
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