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The Independent

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:09 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Haven't looked at this for years, because it seemed cheap. This isn't great.

They haven't committed to free universal childcare. And the foreign aid promise is "as soon as possible", not immediately. So not £20bn a year. And borrowing for investment? Christ.


Re: The Independent

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 9:14 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Oh look. It's bollocks.

Great example of Labour getting asked how it will pay for stuff, and not the Tories.


Re: The Independent

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 11:47 pm
by The Weeping Angel
The Independent really has gone down hill in recent years.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:23 am
by mattomac
I assume Hugo Gye will be running a piece on how Sunak will fund the 2p tax cut the right wing press have ran on all weekend.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2024 6:03 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Here's Hugo Gye again.

Reeves says "our fiscal rules". She doesn't say "Tory spending plans".


Re: The Independent

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:08 am
by Tubby Isaacs
The Independent again.


Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:08 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
And again.


Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:17 pm
by The Weeping Angel
The Indepedent really has gone downhill hasn't it?

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:24 pm
by Youngian
Geordie Greig placed at the helm to become a Tory rag not quite as mad as the Mail.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:25 pm
by Andy McDandy
If the grammar schools are selective, then kids from deprived backgrounds won't be at any more of a disadvantage - unless you're talking about private school kids being tutored and coached through the entrance exams.

If the parents are buying homes next to the grammar schools, then they clearly have cash to spare, or the grammar school is looking more for money than academic ability/promise.

Either way, Tarquin and Emily are going to the fucking comp.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:49 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Eh?
State grammar schools don't charge, so how does applying VAT to some other schools that do affect pupils? Presumably the private school kids just compete - but then, of course, that's what their parents are afraid of.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:05 pm
by Andy McDandy
I guess that "Labour Schools Shake-up May Reveal Some Upper Middle Class Kids as Not That Clever Actually and Risks Their Exposure to Rough Types" doesn't have the catchiness.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:33 pm
by Bones McCoy
I suspect they're implying a second order effect.
The financially poorer public school candidates diverting their spend to intensive coaching for the eleven plus.

Which is pretty odd in a media that can't even handle numeric rates of change.
"Inflation falls to 5%, everything will get cheaper".

Bear in mind that not everywhere has an eleven plus, or grammar schools.

I'm a bit old for anecdotes, but back in my day there was a visible counter effect.
Kids who missed a grammar place in the eleven plus would take a pace at a local fee-paying school.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:01 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Vast majority of areas don't have grammar schools. And it seems like quite a leap to think that the priced out public school kids get into the grammar school and displace the poorest.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 6:17 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Youngian wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:24 pm Geordie Greig placed at the helm to become a Tory rag not quite as mad as the Mail.
Oh yeah I remember, not that it was brilliant beforehand mind you but it's gotten worse over the last year or so, not helped by having a truly awful website.

Re: The Independent

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 7:05 pm
by Andy McDandy
Bones McCoy wrote: Mon Jan 29, 2024 5:33 pm I suspect they're implying a second order effect.
The financially poorer public school candidates diverting their spend to intensive coaching for the eleven plus.

Which is pretty odd in a media that can't even handle numeric rates of change.
"Inflation falls to 5%, everything will get cheaper".

Bear in mind that not everywhere has an eleven plus, or grammar schools.
With the inflation story, they're writing for the readers, who they basically despise. With the schools story, it may well affect them directly, so they pay attention to details.