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This would seem to fit here: by Gavin Barwell.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1390 ... 88864.html

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 07, 2021 3:25 pm This would seem to fit here: by Gavin Barwell.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1390 ... 88864.html

Very interesting read: The two massive achievements by the Tories, their thinktanks and client press are.
* Absorbing the UKIP / Britain First support through dogwhistle actions and policy changes, but keeping it relatively low key.
* Convincing the punters that they represent a change form the last 10 years.

Howard Beckett can bog off for this.

He's been suspended. One less Unite on the NEC.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 1:19 am Howard Beckett can bog off for this.

Ian Dunt calls it with majestic clarity;

It's not uncommon for people to say "deport the home secretary instead", there are examples of this when May was home sec, for example. The issue is the awful optics of talking about deporting an Asian HS. I don't necessarily think Howard Beckett is a racist, but the fact he wrote that, thought it was okay to send out, and hit "tweet" suggest a real lack of awareness.

That said, comments like this don't fill me with hope:



The idea that Starmer would turn this into a factional issue rather than one about racism and immigration suggests he simply sees it as a political opportunity rather than having serious issue with racism.

The whole event is just awful. After the people of Glasgow stood together against the immigration service to protect their community, we've now got this nonsense distracting from it. No wonder the Tories are 15 points ahead.

Agree. Far more likely he meant "wish we could deport the Home Secretary" than anythung else. He's about to lose the Unite election anyway. Not worth the bother.

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:56 am
Ian Dunt calls it with majestic clarity;

Agree. I've tried to tell people online this isn't a good look. Priti Patel has as much right as Nigel Farage to hold Kipper views.

It's a bit like "politician who went to grammar school calls for abolition of grammar schools, hypocrite!"

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 12:30 pm Agree. Far more likely he meant "wish we could deport the Home Secretary" than anythung else. He's about to lose the Unite election anyway. Not worth the bother.

1) That just doesn't hold. Patel's ethnicity and parental history means that any comment about deporting her will be about deporting a person of colour. Because she is. It's prima facie. There would be no question of deporting a white Home Sec. It only works because of her ethnicity.

2) It doesn't matter whether or not he is going to lose the Unite election, because wrong is wrong. And when Labour politicians do wrong they must be, and be seen to be, held responsible for thier words and actions.

3) The matter of Labour's perceived racism is real. We will not be in any position to challenge for power until all such dinosaaurs are turfed out - publicly. A 'defenestration'* is needed.


*A political metaphor, meaning that the sanction is both decisive and public.

People say things that come out wrong. Beckett is a moron, but haven't seen many people accuse him of being an anti-Asian racist. Apologize properly and move on.

The Labour source has linked the case with getting rid of Mccluskey influence. That's already undercut things in terms of justice. A bad look.

Blair and Kinnock wouldn't have wasted time on a busted flush like Beckett.

Nope.
It was a racist comment. I'm not prepared to excuse racism.

Labour has to be seen to be squeaky clean, or face a decade of "Remember that guy did a racism".
At the very least you can expect Fiona Bruce to ask the citizens of Zoom their thoughts on the "latest Labour racism scandal".

So it may appear heavy handed, but it's rational.
And if the guy was a troublemaker - minor bonus.

Only the Tories can get away with disguising their dirt as banter.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:37 pm Nope.
It was a racist comment. I'm not prepared to excuse racism.

That doesn't make sense at all in the context. He attacked Priti Patel for deporting Asian people by making a racist comment about her? It's only racist if you think people like him don't say this sort of stuff about white Tories as well. They do.

He's not being excused. Everyone called him out and he deleted it and apologized pretty much immediately. Nobody is going to think "we're ignoring you calling out Boris Johnson because Howard Beckett".

Bones McCoy wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 4:41 pm Labour has to be seen to be squeaky clean, or face a decade of "Remember that guy did a racism".
At the very least you can expect Fiona Bruce to ask the citizens of Zoom their thoughts on the "latest Labour racism scandal".

So it may appear heavy handed, but it's rational.
And if the guy was a troublemaker - minor bonus.

Only the Tories can get away with disguising their dirt as banter.

I don't think this would fly as a racism scandal. Others did because that faction were ascendant and running to be the government. Some goon who is on his way out of Unite's leadership doesn't come into that category.

It doesn't matter whether or not he is going to lose the Unite election, because wrong is wrong. And when Labour politicians do wrong they must be, and be seen to be, held responsible for thier words and actions.

And that means being prepared to sack your mates. Its a fortunate bonus its usually morons you don’t want near your team that do it.

What’s the Tory view on this, is Starmer being too woke with the loud mouth commie?

The problem is of course that the left is far more critical of racism in its own camp than it is elsewhere, and of course the media holds a double standard which we play into. This leads to centrists tying themselves in knots trying to say "racism is bad, but racists need to be given a platform for their legitimate concerns", which ends up pleasing nobody.

kettle wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 4:05 pm The problem is of course that the left is far more critical of racism in its own camp than it is elsewhere

Is it? I had noted the exact opposite.

See also: misogyny.