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Setting aside the fact that this decision was clearly made 0.1 seconds after Corbyn stepped down, this is a lovely example of the real difference between Corbyn fans and his detractors. Because I don’t know a single left-leaning person who thought Corbyn was shit who *didn’t* still vote Labour. But for these guys it’s “perfection” or nothing.

https://rachaelswindon.blogspot.com/2021/05/i-j

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 8:48 pm Setting aside the fact that this decision was clearly made 0.1 seconds after Corbyn stepped down, this is a lovely example of the real difference between Corbyn fans and his detractors. Because I don’t know a single left-leaning person who thought Corbyn was shit who *didn’t* still vote Labour. But for these guys it’s “perfection” or nothing.

https://rachaelswindon.blogspot.com/2021/05/i-j

We see this time and again. They revel in bad news for Labour and say it's just like we were under Corbyn. Except the night of the 2019 election was the worst I've felt in recent times and I don't know a single fellow centrist melt who felt any different.

Post taken down. What did it say?

A long, rambling, moaning speech about why she couldn’t possibly vote for a Labour candidate this time, why Starmer and the entire shadow cabinet were all awful and must be subject to the same rules as Corbyn and resign if the local elections were a failure (must have missed Corbyn resigning then), and why you should all vote for proper socialist candidates.

I thought we would struggle for material following the Mourinho sacking.

Rachel Swindon is a grifter.

Been checking Jez's performance in local elections. In terms of gaining/ losing councils

2016- no change
2017- lost 7
2018- no change
2019- lost 6

Starmer will have to go something to match that little lot. Had May not brought Jez back to life by running such a shit general election campaign, he would have been fucked in 2017.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 4:20 pm Been checking Jez's performance in local elections. In terms of gaining/ losing councils

2016- no change
2017- lost 7
2018- no change
2019- lost 6

Starmer will have to go something to match that little lot. Had May not brought Jez back to life by running such a shit general election campaign, he would have been fucked in 2017.

The 2017 Election was the second worst thing to happen to Britian in the last five years.

Yeah, I think being rid of Jez earlier and May getting her deal through, would have been positive in their own way.

It would have been a shit deal, but not disastrous. The Labour party would have had time to get their act together, and with no need to pander to the DUP, Northern Ireland would be less of a disaster. Plus, less need to keep Johnson happy, so he could have been shunted to the back benches and left there.

Hindsight, eh?

Labour made no progress really on the economic effects of Brexit and still haven't, and lots don't care. But Corbyn ought to at the very least have forced the analysis out before an election was allowed.

The most inexplicable* own goal in political history.



* Actually not inexplicable in his terms, just everybody else's**. He thought the people loved him and he would walk it.

** Not including Richard Cheeseburgon and Rebecca Wrong Daily. And the unholy soffrito of the left.

The famous "wait till they see our genius policies and the media are obliged to give us time" fallacy? Because May didn't piss away votes by threatening to take granny's house away, bring back foxhunting, kick out EU neighbours and cut more cops. It was all Jez policy genius.

I think some knew they were fucked, but piled up more stuff so that the "legacy" in the party was bigger. Not McDonnell, who looked more shattered than anybody I've ever seen on election night. Shame he wasted his talent.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:03 pm The famous "wait till they see our genius policies and the media are obliged to give us time" fallacy? Because May didn't piss away votes by threatening to take granny's house away, bring back foxhunting, kick out EU neighbours and cut more cops. It was all Jez policy genius.

I think some knew they were fucked, but piled up more stuff so that the "legacy" in the party was bigger. Not McDonnell, who looked more shattered than anybody I've ever seen on election night. Shame he wasted his talent.

Ah yes part of an attempt to create a lost cause myth.

From the AS I know of elsewhere:

In my view the 2017 election result was the most successful for Labour since Blair in 1997 and I utterly loathe Starmer's approach.

Quite a stretch to say it was better than 2001 and 2005.

You score more goals in a 3-2 loss than in a 1-0 win. You've still lost the game though.

It's even worse than that. 2017 was piling up goals in fixtures where you didn't need to, and losing 1-0 in the six pointers.

I'm expecting unbridled glee in certain quarters at the results on Friday if the polls are anything to go by. The fact Corbyn (or his favoured replacement) would likely have done no better or more likely worse, and that Hartlepool voted 55% Brexit party or Tory previously and the by-election is only happening because the MP turned out to be dodgy (thus damaging Labour locally) will of course be ignored in the clamour to demand Starmer stand down immediately.

I suspect Burgon may be tempted to have a go at a leadership challenge unless results turn out to be more favourable, because he's the most clueless of the lot and will think nothing of making a situation worse if in doing so he can burnish his credentials.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 11:22 am I'm expecting unbridled glee in certain quarters at the results on Friday if the polls are anything to go by. The fact Corbyn (or his favoured replacement) would likely have done no better or more likely worse, and that Hartlepool voted 55% Brexit party or Tory previously and the by-election is only happening because the MP turned out to be dodgy (thus damaging Labour locally) will of course be ignored in the clamour to demand Starmer stand down immediately.

I suspect Burgon may be tempted to have a go at a leadership challenge unless results turn out to be more favourable, because he's the most clueless of the lot and will think nothing of making a situation worse if in doing so he can burnish his credentials.

If they do challenge Keir I'm going to call it a chicken coup. I've long had a theory about a lot of Corbynites that for them socialism is less about sharing wealth equally but about being a twat towards anyone who doesn't share their views.