[Boiler]

Give 'em time and something they feel appropriate.

Or wait for Littlejohn to try and show how it affected filming schedules for the TV.

I'll give you "the Crash" is their go-to at the moment - along with "Stalin McBroon sold all the gold" or some other crap.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Some of them are. Some of them are, well, confused. Like the one who said "They'll tell you not to vote Green because Trump might get in! They said that about Nader and George W Bush"

[Tubby Isaacs]

Give 'em time and something they feel appropriate.

Or wait for Littlejohn to try and show how it affected filming schedules for the TV.

I'll give you "the Crash" is their go-to at the moment - along with "Stalin McBroon sold all the gold" or some other crap.

I think you'll always take the heat if you're in government for something bad, but no reason why you should be taking it a decade later. Particularly if you remind people that Osborne had promised to match Labour spending and that they wanted less bank regulation (see also Alex Salmond on the latter).

[Cyclist]

Tubby, you seem to be forgetting something.

Labour figures will continue to take flak for years after the event because they're Labour. The press will continue to dish out the flak because *they* aren't Labour. "Yebbut Osborne..." isn't going to deflect them from their mission - which is to remind the public just how bloody awful Labour governments are.

The majority of newspapers in this country have always been anti-Labour.

[The Weeping Angel]

Yeah they'll be mentioning Wilson devaluing the pound next.

[Boiler]

You may mock, TWA, but prove us wrong.

[The Weeping Angel]

I'm not saying it's never mentioned just not as often as you think and that it's effect on voters today is exaggarated.

[kreuzberger]

On the other hand, things that will never again be mentioned. "Let the bodies pile high."

Moreover, the press will soon need to go balls-out for the anti-vaxxers so that there is no doubt as to where the blame lies when those bodies do indeed pile up.

[Boiler]

But do we know that Johnson said that, just like Callaghan's "Crisis? What crisis?" didn't actually exist.

[Boiler]

Meanwhile, the fearmongering continues:

The report also suggested that Mr Johnson would attempt to frame the next election around Brexit, like he did in 2019, by warning that the UK would return to EU laws and regulations if Labour wins.

There's your winner, right there; sack off the Fixed Term Parliaments Act (something that should never have happened anyway), bring the election forward as far as possible so Brexit's still fresh in people's memories and BAM! another five years.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Brexit's not very popular now. Would be a mistake to do that.

I think these tax rises take effect in October 2023. That's very awkward. Run before that and Labour can promise lots of people about to get a tax rise won't get one. Run afterwards and the tax rise is already showing up on payslips.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Advice from a famous political winner. As ever, no sense that Labour Party members and the electorate might not be the same thing.

Here's polling for Johnson on trustworthiness? 21 v 61, and before he broke two promises this week.

That's Johnson being nailed as a liar.

[mattomac]

Wouldn’t the political far left be calling for an MP to resign if they criticised the leader only a few years ago?

[Cyclist]

I'll take Starmer's "little idea how to win a political fight" over Corbyn's no idea any day of the week.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Different circumstances, but not sure "stick out a load of radical policies 3 years before the next election so that the Tories can distract and attack any anomalies (as there will inevitably be with something like care)" is necessarily a winning idea either.

I'm not really sure what "radical" in terms of paying for care is. Is it radical to say "fuck it, we aren't protecting inheritances in Surrey at all"? Or is radical to say the taxpayer covers the whole cost?

[The Weeping Angel]

Rosie Duffield isn't attending Conference because she fears her for her own safety.


https://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury ... ce-254214/

Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle said elected representatives should be able to appear publicly “without fear of harm” after Ms Duffield revealed she had decided to stay away on advice that her safety and security could be at risk if she chose to attend.

She claims she has been branded transphobic for “knowing that only women have a cervix”. She has also pointed out that it might not be appropriate for people with male bodies who identify as women to enter female-only spaces such as lavatories and changing rooms.

Last week she responded to Canterbury City Council on Twitter after the council leader Ben Fitter-Harding also commented on her liking transphobic tweets.

Of course this is how some respond

[The Weeping Angel]

https://labourlist.org/2021/09/starmer- ... cy-making/

Keir Starmer has confirmed to his shadow cabinet that he will bring rule changes to Labour conference for a return to an electoral college system in leadership elections, a new reselection process for MPs and reforms to the policy-making process.

The Labour leader will meet with the leaders of affiliated trade unions on Wednesday, when he is set to present his preferred proposals for conference, which would change how Labour creates policy, elects leaders and deputy leaders, and reselects sitting MPs.

Starmer said: “Our rules as they are right now, focus us inwards to spend too much time talking to and about ourselves and they weaken the link with our unions. These are two things that have got to change if we are serious about winning the next election.”

Corbynites are in a shocking twist screaming Stalinist over this.

[Arrowhead]

Corbynites are in a shocking twist screaming Stalinist over this.

Am I correct in saying this reverses many of the Miliband-era changes that led to the influx of tens of thousands of three quidders into the party? If so, thank god for that.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Seems so.

[BBN]

Corbynites are in a shocking twist screaming Stalinist over this.