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By Crabcakes
#75986
Also, here’s a different take on it. Some pensioners - very specifically, not the ones who really need it and who will still get it - will now be a bit less well off (though for many, only if they don’t get off their arses and claim the other benefit they’re entitled to that will more than bridge the gap), and some in that group are unhappy about no longer having a benefit they don’t need spoon fed to them. Well you know what? Fuck them. Absolutely fuck them, and let them suck it up for once. Pensioners - as a group that broadly vote right wing - have as such been pandered to for 14 years by the Tories with triple-locked inflation-shattering state pension rises and one off perks and payments. While working-age folk have been stuck in a gig economy and an increasingly draconian universal credit benefit system, and young people have sacrificed their most formative school and college years to keep them safe in Covid while seeing scheme after scheme and benefit after benefit taken away to keep funnelling money to a group of people who have already had it better than any generation before and will likely have had it better than many generations to come.

As a generation they fucked the environment, they fucked the social fabric of the country by overwhelmingly as a group voting Tory and voting Brexit, they’ve fucked over the housing market by buying second homes and renting them to pump prices while engaged in NIMBYism to prevent any new social housing, and they’ve fucked their own children and grandchildren over because of their own prejudices and often outright bigotry. So to see so many so-called socialists suddenly wringing their hands about a minority of a minority of people who are upset about being financially secure enough to no longer get a one-off £200 a year bung anymore is total and utter hypocritical bullshit. It’s openly because they see it as a chance to paint Starmer as a Tory, while in the next breath they’ll gleefully call the same people they’re suddenly so very, very concerned about ‘scum’ when they find out about what many of that group think on immigrants, on women, on homosexuality, on equality and so on. They don’t care about the people who really need it - they don’t have to, because they’re still getting it. And they don’t care about the people who don’t need it, because they’d happily wealth tax them far, far harder given the opportunity. They care about performative socialism.

Edit: and obviously, the Tories and Farage could not give 2 shits about anyone: they’re just gleefully joining in fully aware they’d do - and planned to do - the exact same fucking thing. Only in their case the cash saved would go toward’s someone’s new yacht.
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By mattomac
#75997
Not to mention the pension age grows ever higher and some of these fuckers and their represented press will bang on about 4 day weeks WFH like they are creating a cycle of laziness.

I’ve said many a time, work has to be reformed fully if you expect people to work into their late 60s and beyond.

Can’t all expect people to work like 30 somethings at 60.

Let’s be totally honest, this was for many years in the Mail and Telegraph mocked as a waste of expenditure, often bragging about being able to use it for holidays or presents. I would say the only reason any of them care is that it’s Labour and it’s still being given to some of their age group, the politics of envy is often heavy with this lot.
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By Dalem Lake
#76059
Ever since this WFA cut was announced the local facebook groups have been wall-to-wall whinging about "freezing pensioners", and ire directed towards the local Labour MP, with a frequent complaint that she was nowhere to be seen. Well this week she posted that she would be holding a 2 hour event where anyone could come and talk to her directly about it and she'd explain why she voted for it. So you'd think that the fist shakers would seize the chance of giving her a piece of their mind, but in the end do you know how many showed up?

Seven

And only one of those actually asked about the WFA. The others were just your normal mundane constituency shite like potholes and aggro with the council. But of course the armchair army are still whining away on facebook about it.

I hope Labour do stand firm on this because it's not really a useful tool in combating fuel poverty, it's just extra spending money for most. For example, my mother, who was on Pension Credit and thus would still get it, used it to buy christmas presents. One year in particular, one grandson who already had a XBOX 360 asked her for a Playstation 3 as well and she used the WFA to buy him it.
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By Nigredo
#76357
My dad's done a lot of grumbling about him being a vulnerable OAP being shaken down for his last remaining pennies by highwayman robber Labour, whilst still paying exorbitant amounts on his utility bills because he can't be bothered to shop around to find a new supplier...
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#76360
To be fair, my parents wouldn't know how to start on that if me and Mrs Whale didn't help them. Same with their telephone bill. They were paying almost a hundred quid a month because they didn't really understand the contract they were on. I managed to get BT to put them on a social tariff, but I really don't think a ninety-year old who is going deaf and doesn't use the internet can do the kind of research that would enable them to sort this kind of thing out.
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Nigredo wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:28 am My dad's done a lot of grumbling about him being a vulnerable OAP being shaken down for his last remaining pennies by highwayman robber Labour, whilst still paying exorbitant amounts on his utility bills because he can't be bothered to shop around to find a new supplier...
Back home visiting my parents (87 and 90 respectively), I was introduced to some very real problems faced by the very elderly.

I may have mentioned the profoundly deaf Aunt (witnessed the Graf Spee's last voyage).
No computer can't use the telephone, but receives letters fomr utilities and insurers offering only internet or telephone access.
There are plenty of other like her, who don't have computers, and for whom the telephone is a useless tool to perform price comparison.

The gamification of these services, the need to constantly shop around and always look for a better deal, is another failure of the market's invisible hand.
It's a hangover form Thatcher's drive to privatise and serviceise everything.
For many consumers it's a rigged game.
In the worst cases the supplier can adjust rates mid contract, while the consumer is locked in.
In general cases, the consumer's incomplete information is set against the supplier's brigades of full time analysts.

But also, these people have perhaps few years left on earth.
They don't want to be spending days poring over tarriff sheets to save a few quid here and there.
A tedious waste of time and life.
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By Youngian
#76368
UK national debt has hit 100% of the country’s annual economic output, the highest level since the 1960s, underscoring the challenge facing the chancellor, Rachel Reeves, as she prepares for next month’s budget. https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... hel-reeves

Reeves and Starmer need to quit this Blue Labour shit and move towards SM membership. They have no coherent economic plan and if anyone's noticed there's more POC in the country it's Leave voters. We all know keeping them out was the raison d'etre that got Brexit over the line so what's the point in carrying on with this farce?
#76370
See how the discussions go. Assume the focus is going to be on reducing divergence. See how far that gets us. Plus a more subtle version of Theresa May’s “we’ve got some defence stuff we can help you with, and it would be a shame if..” strategy. Since Ukraine, that’s a bit more impressive.
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By Nigredo
#76371
Bones McCoy wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 1:08 pm
The gamification of these services, the need to constantly shop around and always look for a better deal, is another failure of the market's invisible hand.
It's a hangover form Thatcher's drive to privatise and serviceise everything.
For many consumers it's a rigged game.
In the worst cases the supplier can adjust rates mid contract, while the consumer is locked in.
In general cases, the consumer's incomplete information is set against the supplier's brigades of full time analysts.

But also, these people have perhaps few years left on earth.
They don't want to be spending days poring over tarriff sheets to save a few quid here and there.
A tedious waste of time and life.
Agreed, and apologies if the frustration at my father's learned helplessness at many, many other avenues of his life bled into my response and made it seem like I was tarring all of his contemporaries with the same brush. What I was trying to get at was this nebulous idea of Starmer as a rapacious bully, gleeful at the idea of pensioners freezing to death in their homes without even sparing a thought at the corporate greed of the energy companies or the previous governments that allowed them to set such eye-watering prices.
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Youngian wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:15 pm
UK national debt has hit 100% of the country’s annual economic output, the highest level since the 1960s, underscoring the challenge facing the chancellor, Rachel Reeves, as she prepares for next month’s budget. https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... hel-reeves

Reeves and Starmer need to quit this Blue Labour shit and move towards SM membership. They have no coherent economic plan and if anyone's noticed there's more POC in the country it's Leave voters. We all know keeping them out was the raison d'etre that got Brexit over the line so what's the point in carrying on with this farce?
The UK cannot realistically apply to rejoin the Single Market unless there is both political and public consensus. That inevitably includes both the Conservative and Reform UK parties. The country also needs to be socially settled- it isn't, we are a long, long way from that. Brexit is killing the UK, but we have to accept it as maturely as possible- no more childish arguments. In the short term, the government needs to have an idea over how to grow the economy effectively. Unfortunately, the only policy that will come out of next month's budget from the Chancellor Rachel Reeves is for more tax rises and fresh public spending cuts. There is also a perception from some economists that they simply do not have a clue on how to proceed. The government has pushed themselves in a corner to placate the (predominately right-wing) media, now they are being attacked for the very mistakes they were desperate to avoid (!).
#76380
The Weeping Angel wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:10 pm Ok so your solution is?
It seems to be running around shouting 'we're fucked!'
#76386
This is just more bollocks. There will soon be a financial statement when the plans will be revealed. To keep shouting 'no plan' just because no-one broke an embargo to make your fevered mind easier isn't hugely helpful.
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By Youngian
#76387
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Fri Sep 20, 2024 3:25 pm See how the discussions go. Assume the focus is going to be on reducing divergence.

That's the way it's probably going to go, as you see here the government hasn't the courage of its bogus convictions on Brexit and Brussels isn't threatening the UK with WTO arbitration. Neither is there any pressure from Farage and the Tories to get Brexit done.
The U.K. government is further delaying the introduction of Brexit checks on EU imports — amid concerns they could hit food prices.

An “easement” on controls applying to fruit and vegetables, currently due to expire in January, will be extended to July under plans spelled out by ministers. https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-brex ... egetables/
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