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Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 9:06 amB. Once elected with what - barring some kind of shitty reverse miracle - will be an eye-watering majority, the opportunity will be there to govern far more progressively than was possible during campaigning, a la Biden

I decline to declare myself a Corbynista - less out of shame for the politics than the fact that I’m not a personality cultist - but it’s nonetheless a shade wearying to be painted as some kind of thumb-sucking naïf while being asked to nod along to the umpteenth iteration of this old con. The almost certainly incoming Labour government will govern, I suspect, rather closely in line with their campaigning rhetoric. It’ll be better than the alternative for sure, but let’s not go nuts otherwise.

Philip Marlow wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:33 pm It’ll be better than the alternative for sure, but let’s not go nuts otherwise.

And the “Curmudgeon of the Month” award goes to ….

Did that happen last time? Someone reading the 1997 manifesto wouldn't have had much sense of the work that was to be done on public services and anti-poverty.

We don't know now, same as we don't know much in every election really. Corbyn's manifesto was the exception on that really, and it wasn't at all regarded as credible on spending. There's a reason why politicians are like this.

Philip Marlow wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 6:33 pm …it’s nonetheless a shade wearying to be painted as some kind of thumb-sucking naïf while being asked to nod along to the umpteenth iteration of this old con. The almost certainly incoming Labour government will govern, I suspect, rather closely in line with their campaigning rhetoric. It’ll be better than the alternative for sure, but let’s not go nuts otherwise.

*taps list*
https://www.shrewsburylabour.org.uk/lab ... ievements/

Tell you what, Labour’s digital/social media team have done some fucking brilliant work, here :

https://conflix.uk/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZ ... cxj3vY4Ve9

Check out the fillum posters at the bottom, especially.

I hope the Truss ‘episode’ is just a static shot of a lettuce for 30 seconds.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2024 9:38 am I hope the Truss ‘episode’ is just a static shot of a lettuce for 30 seconds.

Warhol missed a trick there.

I accept that Peter Mandelson has some useful insights for Labour. I don't mind him advising at all. But Labour really doesn't need this sort of stuff. It's Hillary "basket of deplorables" stuff.

Mandelson’s a private gob for hire but not helpful language for Labour.

More Problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... ith-unions

Labour has vowed it will change the law to ban fire and rehire, after a war of words with unions who accused the party of watering down its pledges on workers’ rights.

The plans are revealed in a new leaked dossier, which was sent to trade unions ahead of a crunch meeting with Keir Starmer and contains sweeping plans for an overhaul of workers’ rights including on employment status, protection against unfair dismissal and union representation.

But Unite accused the party of “betrayal” and said it was “unrecognisable” from the original proposals, citing a stark change in language on fire and rehire, zero-hours contracts and plans for legislation. A number of trade union sources said there would be “serious discussions” on the document at a meeting planned with Starmer on Tuesday.

The leaked document cautions that the overhaul will take time to implement, promising a “full and detailed consultation” on a plan to define a single status of “worker” in law, as well as a review of parental leave rights in the first year and saying time was needed to design and implement a fair pay agreement for adult social care.

Labour said the party was “strengthening the proposals to implement our commitments”. New commitments have been added to make sure unions will be able to easily gain recognition in insecure workplaces like Amazon warehouses, and the party pledges to change rules to make it easier to ballot on industrial action.

Key to the criticism from trade unions were changes to the wording of plans to end fire and rehire – removing a direct promise to end the dismissal of workers for rejecting a worse contract.

OMG.

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 10:39 pm More Problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... ith-unions

Labour has vowed it will change the law to ban fire and rehire, after a war of words with unions who accused the party of watering down its pledges on workers’ rights.

The plans are revealed in a new leaked dossier, which was sent to trade unions ahead of a crunch meeting with Keir Starmer and contains sweeping plans for an overhaul of workers’ rights including on employment status, protection against unfair dismissal and union representation.

But Unite accused the party of “betrayal” and said it was “unrecognisable” from the original proposals, citing a stark change in language on fire and rehire, zero-hours contracts and plans for legislation. A number of trade union sources said there would be “serious discussions” on the document at a meeting planned with Starmer on Tuesday.

The leaked document cautions that the overhaul will take time to implement, promising a “full and detailed consultation” on a plan to define a single status of “worker” in law, as well as a review of parental leave rights in the first year and saying time was needed to design and implement a fair pay agreement for adult social care.

Labour said the party was “strengthening the proposals to implement our commitments”. New commitments have been added to make sure unions will be able to easily gain recognition in insecure workplaces like Amazon warehouses, and the party pledges to change rules to make it easier to ballot on industrial action.

Key to the criticism from trade unions were changes to the wording of plans to end fire and rehire – removing a direct promise to end the dismissal of workers for rejecting a worse contract.

And yet yesterday….not sure what the Guardian’s game is but it spins starting to stink.

Unite, the Fire Brigades Union and other smaller unions have raised alarm that the loophole could be subject to abuse by rogue employers.

The dead hand of McCluskey...

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed May 15, 2024 6:00 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 10:39 pm More Problems.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ar ... ith-unions

Labour has vowed it will change the law to ban fire and rehire, after a war of words with unions who accused the party of watering down its pledges on workers’ rights.

The plans are revealed in a new leaked dossier, which was sent to trade unions ahead of a crunch meeting with Keir Starmer and contains sweeping plans for an overhaul of workers’ rights including on employment status, protection against unfair dismissal and union representation.

But Unite accused the party of “betrayal” and said it was “unrecognisable” from the original proposals, citing a stark change in language on fire and rehire, zero-hours contracts and plans for legislation. A number of trade union sources said there would be “serious discussions” on the document at a meeting planned with Starmer on Tuesday.

The leaked document cautions that the overhaul will take time to implement, promising a “full and detailed consultation” on a plan to define a single status of “worker” in law, as well as a review of parental leave rights in the first year and saying time was needed to design and implement a fair pay agreement for adult social care.

Labour said the party was “strengthening the proposals to implement our commitments”. New commitments have been added to make sure unions will be able to easily gain recognition in insecure workplaces like Amazon warehouses, and the party pledges to change rules to make it easier to ballot on industrial action.

Key to the criticism from trade unions were changes to the wording of plans to end fire and rehire – removing a direct promise to end the dismissal of workers for rejecting a worse contract.

And yet yesterday….not sure what the Guardian’s game is but it spins starting to stink.

They've very quick to leap on anything that can be spun as a negative for Labour.

I wonder if they're going down the road of small majority = mates with the Libs = PR?

Meanwhile this is causing aggro

Lloyd Russell-Moyle, the Corbynite MP for Brighton Kemptown & Peacehaven, seems to have been abruptly de-selected as a candidate for the upcoming election:

It would appear that Begum’s arsehole ex still hasn’t given up on getting her booted out.

https://x.com/tomorrowsmps/status/1795832705265135975

It's all kicking off at the moment: Faiza Shaheen is also expected to be suspended as a Labour candidate, for Chingford and Woodford Green.

Staggered that she thought this sort of behaviour was appropriate in the current climate:



Genuinely wondering if she was daring the current leadership to ban her from standing.