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Think it'll make not very much difference on the election either way. As I say, my feeling is that the shadow cabinet have forced this. They want to go into the election having something of their own to campaign on. The extra stuff funded with this money will no doubt shore up some votes to offset the disappointment.

This is quite a helpful, factual article from the BBC :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics ... v2wyb6gNlQ

Labour works on plan for power

Long thread here- there's tons of detail from Labour, whatever the "haven't got a plan" bollocks Sunak comes out with. The writer doesn't like all of it, but it's substantial.

What a terrible indictment of Labour. None of its top figures showed up at a jumped up debating society. The youngest of those Labour figures he mentions was born in 1925.

Fucking hell. Due diligence? I presume he's going to have to be sacked. Can he be replaced?

According to the Manchester Evening News, he's apologised, and is keeping his candidature

I think that may be less than tenable, is he's been reported accurately.

More disastrous news. Labour talking to former Prime Minister and hiring mainstream policy wonk (Harvey Redgrave), who was chief Home Affairs advisor to Ed Milliband.

Further down Aaron tries to make out that the likes of Redgrave are going to be lobbying for Saudis. He does his GB News audience though, I'll say that about him. It's one of the things now to look at someone's CV, find the place you least like among where they worked, find the worst funder, and hey presto! I like to know who funds what, obviously, but I only make a thing of it if the output looks dodgy. This guy seems perfectly mainstream. And anyway, I'm not sure being funded by a large number of deeply unrepresentative small donors is without risk either.

Labour needs to boot this Rochdale bloke. Doesn't matter if it's too late to put anyone else up. Don't support any candidate. Ed Davey will sniff an opening, let him have something to keep him busy.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 11:59 am More disastrous news. Labour talking to former Prime Minister and hiring mainstream policy wonk (Harvey Redgrave), who was chief Home Affairs advisor to Ed Milliband.

Further down Aaron tries to make out that the likes of Redgrave are going to be lobbying for Saudis. He does his GB News audience though, I'll say that about him. It's one of the things now to look at someone's CV, find the place you least like among where they worked, find the worst funder, and hey presto! I like to know who funds what, obviously, but I only make a thing of it if the output looks dodgy. This guy seems perfectly mainstream. And anyway, I'm not sure being funded by a large number of deeply unrepresentative small donors is without risk either.

Yeah, but Tories bringing back de Piffle!

The current Labour party is heading for defeat at the next general election. Starmer comes across as very politically inept. Even some commentators sympathetic to him are now having second thoughts. It's as if they actively want to LOSE the election. Opponents will certainly pick on Labour's difficulties during the election campaign. The big fight after the election will see a huge factional fight over who succeeds him as leader after the inevitable defeat. People may hate the Conservatives, but at least we know where they stand, but people are struggling to see what Starmer actually stands for. The party is still being perceived as being BOTH antisemitic and islamophobic. Nothing has changed.

Well, I’m sure they’ll remember to stick out a manifesto.

Bold prediction there from “NevTheSweeper”.

I’m no Piers Morgan or Rishi Sunak, but would you fancy a small wager on your prophecy of a Labour defeat at the election (I don’t think that’s remotely likely).

Shall we say £100, Mr. Sweeper?

Even some commentators sympathetic to him are now having second thoughts.

Not a lot to go on.

I'll take a (possibly) inept Starmer over a proven incompetent, cuntish walking disaster like Sunak every time.

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm The current Labour party is heading for defeat at the next general election. Starmer comes across as very politically inept. Even some commentators sympathetic to him are now having second thoughts. It's as if they actively want to LOSE the election. Opponents will certainly pick on Labour's difficulties during the election campaign. The big fight after the election will see a huge factional fight over who succeeds him as leader after the inevitable defeat. People may hate the Conservatives, but at least we know where they stand, but people are struggling to see what Starmer actually stands for. The party is still being perceived as being BOTH antisemitic and islamophobic. Nothing has changed.

Huge, if true.

I refer you to the reply of the ephors to Philip of Macedon...

Abernathy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:00 pm Bold prediction there from “NevTheSweeper”.

I’m no Piers Morgan or Rishi Sunak, but would you fancy a small wager on your prophecy of a Labour defeat at the election (I don’t think that’s remotely likely).

Shall we say £100, Mr. Sweeper?

He's got to pay me first.

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm The current Labour party is heading for defeat at the next general election.

Can you link the polls which have led you to this conclusion, please?

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm Starmer comes across as very politically inept.

Do you have any examples of this ineptitude?

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm Even some commentators sympathetic to him are now having second thoughts.

Which ones, what have they said and where can I read it?

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm Opponents will certainly pick on Labour's difficulties during the election campaign.

Correct.
They're opponents.
They oppose.
That's what they do.
That's why they're called opponents.

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm The big fight after the election will see a huge factional fight over who succeeds him as leader after the inevitable defeat.

You are literally the only person I've seen describe a Labour defeat as "inevitable", even most Tory supporting commentators are now accepting that a Labour victory is inevitable as there's no evidence to the contrary.

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm people are struggling to see what Starmer actually stands for. The party is still being perceived as being BOTH antisemitic and islamophobic.

Which people?

NevTheSweeper wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2024 7:17 pm Nothing has changed.

Everything has changed.
Everyone who follows UK politics knows that Starmer has spent four years purging Labour of anti-Semites, it's been widely reported.

You wouldn’t think with all the bold predictions on social media that Labour has just polled its highest lead with the one pollster that reverts DKs back to their vote at the last election. And where they currently sit an average of 20pts ahead.

Labour need to make a clean split on Rochdale, sadly it might open the door for Galloway, but hopefully Sunak will call an election soon.

Preferably on the 1st of March.