[Boiler]

Thing is... Johnson's popular, and somehow can get away with this.

Giving your opponents ammunition is never a good move.

[mattomac]

Yeah Andy has done a brilliant job of that just now as well.

Apparently he has been an excellent shadow minister… so excellent that as someone who works in Advice I have literally never heard of him and Google suggested some Ice Hockey player 30 minutes ago when I searched.

[mattomac]

And it’s laughable and sad when they get to hand Oliver “Those booing the knee have a point” Dowden.

In regards to Rayner it did sort of work for Prescott, then again most people agreed with him at the time.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Great effort from Andy McDonald. Walks out after the terrible imposition that is defending the shadow cabinet's agreed policy. Gratuitous Corbynite stuff about "never being more divided". Which'll be news to a few people.

[Abernathy]

Andy McDonald has resigned from the Shadow Cabinet.

https://news.sky.com/story/andy-mcdonal ... p-12419918

Apparently because KS wouldn't commit to raising the minimum wage to £15 ph.

The alleged row over a £15 living wage rate is a pretext, and a pretty thin one at that. It’s pretty clear, to me at any rate, that McDonald, the last Corbynite in the shadow cabinet, has been waiting for just such a pretext to stage his (in his view) grandstanding resignation from the shadow cabinet in the middle of an annual conference in which Starmer is making real and considerable progress in at last getting a grip of his party and making it electable again. You just have to read McDonald’s resignation letter, in which he quotes more or less verbatim from the standard Corbynite script, accusing the leader of having abandoned every pledge that he made during his campaign for the leadership, and having sown division in the party instead of bringing about unity (aka the usual bollocks).

The reality of it is, as a friend of mine has summed it up, as far as anyone not immersed in Labour Party culture is aware : “a bloke that you’ve never heard of has written a ranty letter quitting a job that you never knew he had.”

[Tubby Isaacs]

I said at the time that Corbyn manifesto wasn't intended for the electorate, it was to put down markers internally. Whoever came after that was a traitor.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Another one. Maybe we can hear what Jeremy Corbyn did at some point.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Devastating, apparently. Like Geoffrey Howe.

[Abernathy]

About as “devastating” as a wet fart.

Jones really is beyond a joke these days.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Yep. This is very obviously pre-planned bollocks, though the correct response is to say "sorry to lose Andy".

It's not like opposing £15 an hour is some sort of point of no return piece of hard rightism anyway. Sturgeon hasn't committed to it, yet SNP ministers have avoided walking out. They and she are quite right.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Good exchange below the line here, let by this chap- click on his post and see the argument with the Corbynite.

As he says, £10 an hour in 2020 was ok for Corbyn. What's the difference? Hard to see how the intervening couple of years have made it easier to reach a target Corbyn wouldn't set at the time.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Shameful leadership, which failed to support a policy Corbyn didn't advocate for as leader, and announced £28bn a year for green investment. Shameful.

Note the pathetic "na na na Mandelson na na Blair" too.

[davidjay]

Around Europe the centre-left is making gains. In Britain they're having to fight their colleagues.

[Tubby Isaacs]

One of them on the Guardian today claimed the SPD winning in Germany this weekend wasn't as good as Jez in 2017.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I see the McDonald is complaining that he was asked to argue against statutary sick pay at the living wage. It's too low now, for sure. But again, that'not something Jez committed to. Starmer committed to a rise when he spoke to the TUC.

[Youngian]

Voters know Andy McDonald as Steve's brother in Coronation Street. Unlikely to change.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Another former here.

What does it mean to have more or less "politics" than someone else? Does Laura Pidcock have more than me? Who are these people who engineered this Brexit policy? Oh, Labour members. Why does Laura Smith hate them? I can see that it didn't help her or Pidcock, but given that Labour was losing to Jo Swinson before, what do they suggest?

The second part is, well. The Labour Left are increasingly like youtube cameraphone twats.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Here's another of the gang.

Terrible accusation here- Kier learns from mistakes. The public hate that.

I thought leaking internal Labour Party business was bad, per this lot.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

*Keir

[Tubby Isaacs]

Apol. I usually get that right.

I see Jon is a "Sir Keir" man. What a great guy.