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Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:46 pm
by Arrowhead
This question has been bugging me for a few months now. I suspect most would list either Johnson or Cameron as the worst, but I always come back to May as the one most to blame for our current travails as a nation.

What does everyone else think? Please show your workings.

3rd worst – David Cameron
CONS - Superficial lightweight who decided the best way to stop his party from “banging on about Europe” was to hold a fucking nationwide referendum on the matter, which he promptly lost. Chillaxed his way through Indyref as well, and set about exploiting (e.g. EVEL, the entire Tory 2015 GE campaign) the divisions it created rather than solving them. Enacted austerity, let the bankers off the hook (“clearing up the mess left behind by the last Labour government”), and rolled over for Murdoch when Leveson looked like it might become reality.

Despite winning the first Tory majority in a generation, was out of a job barely a year later and even whistled a merry fucking tune to himself as he departed the stage for the last time.

PROS - Cameron was at least pretty good at the Serious Stuff when he needed to be, and also somehow managed to get the same-sex marriage bill past his party.

2nd worst – Boris Johnson
CONS - A cynical chancer and a grifter who spotted an opportunity and took it. Lied to the country about Brexit, brought Dominic Cummings into Downing Street, tried to prorogue parliament. Lucked out against the most unpopular LOTO since time began, and eventually screwed up the COVID response. Appoints lackeys and cronies to the Cabinet whilst corruption becomes commonplace. Has utterly trashed the UK’s reputation as serious-minded pragmatists. By a long distance the most ill-suited PM of the three.

PROS –I find it strangely difficult to get too mad at Johnson simply because, unlike David “One Nation” Cameron and Theresa “Serious Politician” May, Johnson has merely behaved exactly how we all expected him to be as PM. I suspect many people will judge him as Worst PM, but he is at least being true to his past form.

1st worst – Theresa May
CONS – was supposed to be the grown up in the room, yet appointed Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. Many of our current woes can be traced directly back to the ruinous decision-making made during her time at the helm, e.g. to not only leave the E.U. but to also depart the Customs Union and the Single Market as well. Gave some of the most lamentable speeches ever delivered by a UK PM, such as when she accused the EU of trying to affect the outcome of GE2017, or when she gave a party conference speech so utterly appalling the backdrop started falling apart in protest. Was so dreadful during GE2017 she somehow made Jeremy Corbyn popular (for a while), and ended up losing over thirty of her own MPs. Didn’t take the hint and hobbled on for another two years whilst being propped up by the DUP. Could’ve been the British Merkel, but blew her only chance in order to appease the Spartan headbangers who soon betrayed her anyway.

PROS – is trying reinvent herself as a Respected Backbencher, but it is far too little & far too late.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:18 pm
by Abernathy
Very good rationale for naming May as the worst, but I’m afraid I just cannot get past Johnson. He is just appalling.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:57 pm
by Arrowhead
Abernathy wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:18 pm Very good rationale for naming May as the worst, but I’m afraid I just cannot get past Johnson. He is just appalling.
I have to admit, looking back at what I wrote about Johnson it does seem slightly unfair that I then went on to name May as the worst PM. Johnson can quite reasonably be described as a fucking disgrace, which isn't really something I would say about the other two.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:10 pm
by Bones McCoy
Cameron:
Rich Kid who believed the bollocks of his tutors who rimmed him in the hope of a collegiate stipend.
Lost control and panicked when he realised it's not just like bossing servants about.
Arsehole who can't reset an RCD breaker.

May:
"Party before all" neurodivergent who won the gig in a church fete tombola.
As competent as she was inspiring.
Lack of people skills showed in her cabinet choices.

Johnson:
An irredeemable cunt.
Most of the dislikeable features of the privileged whisked up into one diarrhea soufflé.
Cummings, culture wars and Britannia unchained.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:50 pm
by Boiler
Bones McCoy wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 11:10 pm diarrhea soufflé.
I'm 'aving that.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:01 am
by davidjay
It's difficult to judge them because in their own way they've all got a strong claim to the title.

Cameron - promised a fluffy, One Nation patriarchal Toryism but had appalling political judgement and got us into this mess.

May - weak, over-promoted and caused the biggest constiutional crisis for a century, paving the way for...

Johnson - the idlest, most blatantly corrupt politician since Blackadder III. His one redeeming feature is that he's done exactly what he promised; helped his cronies and fucked everyone else over.

God help us.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:34 am
by Nigredo
Johnson is technically the worst though I think I hate Cameron the most.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:45 pm
by davidjay
Oblomov wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:34 am Johnson is technically the worst though I think I hate Cameron the most.
I find it hard to hate Johnson. Hating him for being an incompetent, lazy, amoral bastard is like hating a crocodile for biting.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:56 pm
by Cyclist
davidjay wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:45 pm [

I find it hard to hate Johosn. Hating him for being an incompetent, lazy, amoral bastard is like hating a crocodile for biting.
Actually, that's a poor analogy.

Remember, animals behave the way they do because that's the way they've evolved to behave. Humans behave the way they do because that's the way they choose to behave.

Johnson can behave better, he just chooses not to.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:00 pm
by Nigredo
davidjay wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:45 pm
Oblomov wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:34 am Johnson is technically the worst though I think I hate Cameron the most.
I find it hard to hate Johosn. Hating him for being an incompetent, lazy, amoral bastard is like hating a crocodile for biting.
I hate him at PMQs when he gets churlish at someone daring to question him being the exception to the rules and he starts thumping the box as he delivers lame lines like "they dither, we deliver, they jabber, we jab!"

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:33 pm
by mattomac
I wouldn’t give Cameron much credit on Gay Marriage, without the LD in coalition and Labour voting for it, he would have failed I believe.

Cameron played games with something that should never have.

May was just generally poor, i don’t think she would have done much better during COVID-19 as she couldn’t carry her party after 2017.

Johnson is by far the poorest, he is just shit, can’t lead, can’t do his job, can’t keep up with the basic data.

He belongs in the same grouping as Bolosarno, Trump and the rest of them.

Re: Cameron, May or Johnson - worst PM since 2010?

Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:35 pm
by davidjay
Cyclist wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:56 pm
davidjay wrote: Wed Dec 29, 2021 5:45 pm [

I find it hard to hate Johosn. Hating him for being an incompetent, lazy, amoral bastard is like hating a crocodile for biting.
Actually, that's a poor analogy.

Remember, animals behave the way they do because that's the way they've evolved to behave. Humans behave the way they do because that's the way they choose to behave.

Johnson can behave better, he just chooses not to.
Without getting too philosophical, I don't think he can. He might try to be different but it would be far too difficult and so, being the idler that he is, he falls back on what comes naturally to him.