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Shocking news here. Lib Dem candidate supported Remain.

I mean 60-40 is quite Kippery, but is Brexit still a slam dunk winner? There's got to be a way of not insulting Leave voters. "I certainly didn't think Boris Johnson could deliver what he promised you", etc.

Oh no how dare she…

Considering they are still faffing around trying to deliver something they told us they delivered nearly two years ago it less of a vote winner than these odious pricks think it is anymore.

I assume if you are voting LD or most of the time Labour it’s not on the basis they voted leave.

It’s no longer the only game in time, they could fall foul if they attempt to run on it again, especially as they promised it done and it isn’t.

With these bye-elections coming up, and with the background of government corruption and “metropolitan elite”, surely it’s the perfect opportunity for a common sense, man of the people candidate to put their credentials to the test; step forward Lozza and Frogman

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:33 pm Shocking news here. Lib Dem candidate supported Remain.

I mean 60-40 is quite Kippery, but is Brexit still a slam dunk winner? There's got to be a way of not insulting Leave voters. "I certainly didn't think Boris Johnson could deliver what he promised you", etc.

Will she have to eat her words from 2016 despite being right about Brexit?

Imagine being in your 60’s and still having Toryboy as your Twitter tag.

I assume he could get it changed, then again he probably had it since his mid 40’s

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:25 pm
Will she have to eat her words from 2016 despite being right about Brexit?

They're quite good at playing down Brexit-Remain when they need to. See eg the Brecon and Radnor by election where they squeezed Labour voters very well who I'd guess would have included a fair few Brexiters round Ystradganlais. In Chesham and Amersham too, though that was Remain, I don't think they spent too much time on Brexit.

All she needs to do, I guess, is be able to bat the question away. "We won't rejoin, but we can do X, Y, Z to make it better", probably stuff only real headbangers would see as undoing Brexit.

Bigger problem is that they start from third place, with Paterson not running. (The recalled MP in Brecon and Radnor ran, foolishly).

Bizarre effort here by the Tory candidate in Old Bexley and Sidcup.

https://www.newsshopper.co.uk/news/1971 ... econd-job/

On Friday (November 12), Louie French was asked by News Shopper whether he intended to quit his role as a sustainable portfolio manager for Tilney, a financial planning and investment firm which offers advice to private clients and charities in the UK, if he takes the seat on December 2.

During an exclusive interview alongside Boris Johnson, Cllr French, who represents Falconwood & Welling, said: “I'm not a career politician, so I'd have to have a discussion with my company at that point.”

The issue isn't whether your current employer still wants to employ you, Louie. It's what you'll want to do when you're elected to a new job as an MP.

He "clarified" no second job. He couldn't have been expecting to get away with anything else in the current climate, with national attention in a by-election, surely?

Glad to know he isn’t a career politician….

He technically doesn’t sound like a very good one either.

mattomac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:55 pm
He technically doesn’t sound like a very good one either.

Par for the course with this lot.

Full list of candidates here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59435987

"Scandals" is the word offered up by Shah Syed, who has lived in Sidcup for five years.

He used to vote Labour, then switched to Conservative, but now thinks he cannot vote for the party again, saying: "Running a country is not running a theatre - you're dealing with people's futures and their lives."

Another former Conservative voter, Bridget Heylett, says we have a "shocking government" and plans to vote Labour "because I think Keir Starmer is not such a bad man, he's a lawyer".

Others are more sympathetic to Boris Johnson and his government.

"Boris? I think he's good at speaking, he's very articulate, he's very fun and jovial," says surveyor Simon Meeks, a formerly "staunch Tory" who is now undecided.

"I think he's done pretty well with things he's had to face, I don't have any major disagreements with him, with what he's been up against he's done pretty well.

"Maybe some of the jokes could be turned down a bit."

"Boris? I think he's good at speaking, he's very articulate, he's very fun and jovial," says surveyor Simon Meeks, a formerly "staunch Tory" who is now undecided.

If Simon Meeks thinks Johnson is "good at speaking" and "very articulate" who the fuck does he normally listen to? Donald Duck?

You can kind of write off his entire viewpoint based on that.

Not convinced by Simon’s surveying skills

with what he's been up against he's done pretty well.

Why are so many Tories unable to admit it?

davidjay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:37 pm Why are so many Tories unable to admit it?

Fear. Fear of losing their privilege.

Old Bexley and Sidcup: Result in full

Louie French, Conservatives - 11,189 (51.48%)

Daniel Francis, Labour - 6,711 (30.88%)

Richard Tice, Reform UK - 1,432 (6.59%)

Jonathan Rooks, Green - 830 (3.82%)

Simone Reynolds, Liberal Democrats - 647 (2.98%)

Elaine Cheeseman, The English Democrats - 271 (1.25%)

John Poynton, UKIP - 184 (0.85%)

Richard Hewison, Rejoin EU - 151 (0.69%)

David Kurten, Heritage Party - 116 (0.53%)

Carol Valinejad, Christian Peoples Alliance - 108 (0.50%)

Mad Mike Young, Official Monster Raving Loony Party - 94 (0.43%)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59505204

Turn out was only 34%


Tories in 2019 took 64.5% of the vote. Are people getting fed up with Tory sleaze?

A bit of a "meh" result overall. Decent swing to Labour, but not to such an extent to raise many eyebrows. Much of the Tory vote stayed at home, seemingly.

The English Democrats are still a thing?? I wonder what Gary Bushell is up to nowadays.

Cyclist wrote: ↑Sat Nov 27, 2021 8:10 pm

"Boris? I think he's good at speaking, he's very articulate, he's very fun and jovial," says surveyor Simon Meeks, a formerly "staunch Tory" who is now undecided.

If Simon Meeks thinks Johnson is "good at speaking" and "very articulate" who the fuck does he normally listen to? Donald Duck?

Yep, when voting, it's all dependent on how fun and jovial the Prime Minister is. We all remember the UK Golden Age 1973-1979 under then Prime Minister Harry Secombe and Chancellor Tommy Trinder. (See his budget speech in 1975 with record tax cuts, which of course ended with the phrase "You lucky people!")

The BBC excidedly reporting that Reform ("formerly the Brexit Party" added every mention) finished third.

They only just retained their deposit, FFS. They are irrrelevant. Though not as irrelevant as the LibDems.