[Abernathy]

Very succinct and accurate summary

[davidjay]

Very succinct and accurate summary

HERETIC!!!

[Youngian]

If most MPs are talking to Corbyn, it would be surprising.

Sir Keir Starmer has revealed he has not talked to his predecessor, Jeremy Corbyn, in over a year.

The Labour leader told the BBC the pair had not spoken since a report was published into anti-Semitism in the party in October 2020.

Mr Corbyn's reaction to the report saw him suspended from the party - and while he was allowed back as a member, he still sits as an independent MP.

Sir Keir said Mr Corbyn "knows what he must do" to move towards reinstatement.

But he told the BBC's Political Thinking podcast it "may be the case" that the situation remains unresolved by the next general election, meaning Mr Corbyn could not stand as a Labour candidate. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59422675

[Nigredo]

https://labourlist.org/2021/11/shadow-c ... -concerns/

Another cultist falls on their sickle for the sake of a busted flush never was.

[Cyclist]

In another place I frequent we get gems like this:

Labour including its MPs, officials, councillors is dominated by the Labour right. Their overwhelming goal is to prevent a left wing Labour government. Opposing the Tories is a secondary concern, they are so scared of upsetting Tory voters it's laughable.

I find it totally incredible how these people manage to walk and breathe at the same time.

[The Weeping Angel]

Lordy

[mattomac]

The cover looks shit, of course he also features a prominent Jewish MP on the front cover.

From most I would say it’s not deliberate but with Nunns I have my doubts.

[Abernathy]

Here's how the book cover should look .

[Crabcakes]

For the first time this week, maybe, seeing as the Corbots haven't stopped banging on about their conspiracy theories ever.

[Crabcakes]

Excellent thread from George Monbiot, and a reminder that - for all his myriad faults - Corbyn wasn't and isn't anywhere near as bad as some of his cheerleaders (the fact that not dealing with his zealots was one of his biggest faults notwithstanding)

[Tubby Isaacs]

For the first time this week, maybe, seeing as the Corbots haven't stopped banging on about their conspiracy theories ever.

Does Alex Nunns explain this Brexit to us that wouldn't have been attacked as Remain by the back door by the Tories, but would nonetheless have stopped people clearing off to the Greens and Lib Dems?

[mattomac]

So it’s one sided then….

[Cyclist]

From Another Place

It's not speculation. The party machinery, officials, MPs are dominated by the Labour right, they all worked to make Labour lose the 2017 and 2019 elections.

There was that BBC documentary about the 2017 election where Stephen Kinnock was shocked by the exit polls and started to panic about what to say to the news cameras. Obviously he thought Labour would bomb and finally Corbyn would be got rid off.

[Abernathy]

From Another Place

It's not speculation. The party machinery, officials, MPs are dominated by the Labour right, they all worked to make Labour lose the 2017 and 2019 elections.

There was that BBC documentary about the 2017 election where Stephen Kinnock was shocked by the exit polls and started to panic about what to say to the news cameras. Obviously he thought Labour would bomb and finally Corbyn would be got rid off.

Lovely that, isn’t it ? The way that it persists - not just getting hold of the wrong end of the stick, as grabbing the wrong fucking stick altogether. Of course Kinnock was expecting Labour to bomb and Corbyn to have to fuck off. So was I. So was every Labour member or supporter with the interests of the party and, by extension, the country, at heart. It was crystal clear that Labour would lose, and bad as that was, the consolation of Corbyn therefore being obliged to fuck off from the leadership represented something of a comfort. But there is a vastdifference between anticipating a far larger failure than the one that actually was inflicted, and actively having worked to engineer one.

I do find this particular persistent aspect of Corbynite mythology most offensive, because having worked as a full time organiser for the party from 2013 to 2015, I know from experience how hard Labour staffers (willingly) work during general election campaigns. Not to put too fine a point on it, to a man and woman we slog our fucking guts out. And we did so in 2017, every bit as much as we did in every other general election. Actively working to engineer a defeat for your own party - even if you are being led by a useless fucking moron - would be anathema to any Labour Party staffer from top level strategist to grass roots organiser on the ground.

Take 2019. By then, Corbynism had established itself at every level of the party. Corbyn place(wo)men were in control of every aspect of the campaign. Presumably, none of them were actively working to ensure a defeat for Labour at that election in the way that they allege had occurred in 2017 . And the result was the worst defeat for Labour since 1934.

Most of these Corbynites, with their “stab in the back” mythology, really are a bunch of thick, malignant cunts.

[Cyclist]

Let's talk about loyalty. Let's talk about Red Tory sabotage. Let's talk about the die-hard Labour Leftists who worked so hard for a Labour victory in a recent by-election they were actively encouraging people to vote for that poisonous turd Galloway.

#ItsNotACult

[Crabcakes]

It's also worth remembering that in 2017 everyone expected Labour to come second, and they came second. If May had done even a half-competent job the result would have been as expected. If there hadn't been a HUGE push for tactical voting that Corbyn in no sense got behind the result would have been as expected. The fact the "great victory" was a less bad loss that was largely due to one of the most laughably inept GE campaigns by a party ever, plagued by unforced errors, terrible policy decisions and a leader with all the charm and charisma of a condemned 1970s municipal car park shows just how lucky Corbyn was. Fate put him in the job. Fate gave him breathing space that he didn't deserve. And when it was him vs someone good at campaigning, when he had all his people in all the right places, he got the result he'd been working towards since 2017 because he thought people were voting for him and not against the alternative.

[Nigredo]

It's also worth remembering that in 2017 everyone expected Labour to come second, and they came second. If May had done even a half-competent job the result would have been as expected. If there hadn't been a HUGE push for tactical voting that Corbyn in no sense got behind the result would have been as expected. The fact the "great victory" was a less bad loss that was largely due to one of the most laughably inept GE campaigns by a party ever, plagued by unforced errors, terrible policy decisions and a leader with all the charm and charisma of a condemned 1970s municipal car park shows just how lucky Corbyn was. Fate put him in the job. Fate gave him breathing space that he didn't deserve. And when it was him vs someone good at campaigning, when he had all his people in all the right places, he got the result he'd been working towards since 2017 because he thought people were voting for him and not against the alternative.

Yebbut more votes than 2005, 2010, and 2015 so therefore "won the argument"

[Crabcakes]

Yebbut more votes than 2005, 2010, and 2015 so therefore "won the argument"

As the saying* goes, "You can have the widest ground floor in the world, but if your tower is still only 2 storeys high no one is going to pay you to come and look at the fucking view"

*the saying I've just this minute made up, that is.

[Nigredo]

Phony B.Liar had it right when he accused Corbyn of turning the Labour Party into a "glorified protest group with cult trimmings."

[mattomac]

All I’ve seen from the very few Corbynites I have left on my FB is some baffling shit about if he doesn’t nail Johnson today he should quit.

Considering he’s wiped out a 20pt deficient he inherited it’s a bit odd.