- Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:51 pm
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Both are very hot on the numbers and the logistics tale they tell.
Stull that have come out with the opening of archives and discovery of contemporary diaries.
Their take is that the war was decided by 1943 (The allies having stopped the Axis and advancing on all fronts).
All axis powers were suffering resource shortages, and the western allies were ashore in mainland Italy.
Militarily the axis could not win, but politics prevented a rational ceasefire (Shades of that scene form Downfall).
The suitcase plotters, and others, hoped to negotiate an honourable peace - something that had precedent in Aristocratic Prussian history.
The cunts at the top of Germany and Japan are dead set on a Wagnerian end of the world, fight to the last pensioner and child.
I don't think the plotters were any less committed to the Nazi project (at least in 1939-41).
They could read the runes, and see that a major fucking was on its way.
Oboogie wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:27 pmI've been enjoying the "We have ways of making you talk" podcast by James "Proper Historian" Holland and Al "Pub Landlord" Murray.kreuzberger wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:33 pm Just for clarification; Hitler didn't make the trains run on time - he merely had shot those who contradicted his demonstrably false claims. Also, some of his high-ranking officials tried, unsuccessfully, to kill him, while the others tried, unsuccessfully, to avoid a horde of angry Russian teenagers on speed.The trains running on time claim was actually originally applied to Mussolini but was, of course, a myth. Even a Fascist dictator cannot control train timetables.
All dictatorships end in failure.
As for the Generals who plotted to assassinate Hitler, their motives were more of pragmatic patriotism (ie Hitler's going to lead Germany to destruction) rather than any high moral principles or political differences, almost all were quite content to swear allegiance and wear the swastika ... until Germany started losing.
Both are very hot on the numbers and the logistics tale they tell.
Stull that have come out with the opening of archives and discovery of contemporary diaries.
Their take is that the war was decided by 1943 (The allies having stopped the Axis and advancing on all fronts).
All axis powers were suffering resource shortages, and the western allies were ashore in mainland Italy.
Militarily the axis could not win, but politics prevented a rational ceasefire (Shades of that scene form Downfall).
The suitcase plotters, and others, hoped to negotiate an honourable peace - something that had precedent in Aristocratic Prussian history.
The cunts at the top of Germany and Japan are dead set on a Wagnerian end of the world, fight to the last pensioner and child.
I don't think the plotters were any less committed to the Nazi project (at least in 1939-41).
They could read the runes, and see that a major fucking was on its way.