[Abernathy]

The sheer chutzpah of Baker, Farage and the rest of the band of cunts behind this is perhaps what gets me most. They want to do Brexit again, and this time fuck things up even more seriously. It’s as if they just fancy it, not that they have any developed principles on the matter.

Boiler’s right. This country shouldn’t touch any more referenda with a 55 foot shite-smeared pole.

And it most definitely is not patronising to say that some - most - matters are utterly, utterly unsuitable for referenda.

[Andy McDandy]

Sado-populism, as Alistair Campbell called it earlier this week. Shit for everyone, but much more shit for That Lot.

[Boiler]

It's not patronising, it's the truth. They are stupid. They are incapable of thinking for themselves. They are influenced by the infantile nonsense churned out by neo-con media owners.

I'm reminded of an occasion when Scott Adams (of Dilbert fame) posted in his blog about Trump, calling him "The Master Persuader". The idea being is whoever masters the art of public persuasion sets the agenda, whomsoever they may be.

Harold Wilson has got a lot to answer for - wasn't that very first referendum in 1975 called to stop squabbling about Europe in the Labour Party of the time?

Those that do not learn from history, etc.

[Youngian]

I know this sounds incredibly patronising, but I think a large chunk of the British Public has demonstrated that it is incapable of looking impartially at such matters and is also far too easily swayed by the media.

Not a big fan of Richard Dawkins but he wrote a very good article entitled: ‘I’m too stupid to vote in the EU referendum.’ The problem is he may know little about economics or geopolitics, but has enough intelligence to make a shrewd punt as who’s likely to be telling the truth. In a debate between a former WTO boss and Ian Duncan-Smith.

The Swiss and Irish conduct referendums in a way that runs in parallel with the nuanced realities of representative democracy. But that’s not going to happen in a country where even alternative voting is shunned because the public may get confused.

[davidjay]

Recent posts confirm my belief that it's easier to win an argument with a wise man than with a fool. All of us on here know we aren't infallible; we have our beliefs but we can all be persuaded to change them in the light of subsequent evidence and happenings. The sort of pig-thick ignorant moron that Johnson, Farage, Baker et al prey on are totally convinced that they're right and nothing could alter their preconceptions. Send 'em back/string 'em up/something about scroungers/climate change is a con. It's the only language they understand.

[Youngian]

Hugo Minford is George Monbiot this week

[Cyclist]

That's a bit rich. Easier to lecture others on how to live if you follow your own advice?

From a senior member of a former classic "do as we say, not as we do" government.

Self-awareness obviously isn't one of his strengths.

[satnav]

If you hold an international climate change conference on an island it is pretty inevitable that most of the delegates are going to travel there by plane.

[RedSparrows]

Buhhhh climate change isn't an issue except when I can score cheap points buhhhhh

[davidjay]

There's nothing like the environment for seeing those who do nothing mocking those who do something for not doing everything.

[kreuzberger]

Admin: I have just jetted in to merg this with the Bloody Weather topic so as to save on potential duplication.

[The Weeping Angel]

Important thread on COP26

[mattomac]

I’m not sure how sincere Johnson is about it and his actions don’t seem particularly great but at least he isn’t denying it’s an issue.

[Watchman]

I’m not sure how sincere Johnson is about it and his actions don’t seem particularly great but at least he isn’t denying it’s an issue.

It’s a win-win for him; looks “good” making sympathetic noises about a major global problem and pretends to be doing something without any chance of a comeback, and keeps him in the wife’s good books

[RedSparrows]

Was just thinking: at the very least, the fact Johnson is babbling about it seems to be focusing the tabloids on it in a good way (from a cursory glance). Whilst this speaks of many infuriating things, at the very least it's, for once, for a positive cause.

[Andy McDandy]

Anyone see his fall of the Roman empire speech? It's OK to be a greenie because otherwise we'll be overrun by the darkies. Nah, he's just a cunt.

[Youngian]

I’m not sure how sincere Johnson is about it and his actions don’t seem particularly great but at least he isn’t denying it’s an issue.

It’s a win-win for him; looks “good” making sympathetic noises about a major global problem and pretends to be doing something without any chance of a comeback, and keeps him in the wife’s good books

This ‘green bollocks’ won’t play well with sections of Johnson’s rancid electoral coalition. Which is why Farage has spotted a new grift.

[Youngian]

Speech day at Glasgow. A puzzled world asks why Boris Johnson is PM of a country that produces David Attenborough.

[Crabcakes]

Speech day at Glasgow. A puzzled world asks why Boris Johnson is PM of a country that produces David Attenborough.

By all rights, Attenborough should be PM and Johnson on some dreadful TV show where he's stuck in a jungle somewhere and has to eat animal dung.

[Malcolm Armsteen]

Johnson has to eat animal dung.

Cannibalism.