[mattomac]

Maybe information has come to light.

[Oboogie]

Depends who the last person in Trump's ear is. If some donors from arms manufacturers tell him supplying Ukraine and replacing the weapons is actually great, he might carry on with it.

Germany has stepped up its military spending pretty well from its historic pathetic level, and has done some good work on its energy supplies. But I worry about their support for Ukraine.

You make a good point about the US arms industry, equipping Ukraine is worth billions and a lot of jobs depend on it. I'll try and find some figures later.

[mattomac]

Put some business Trump’s way and he will suddenly swivel his head.

[Crabcakes]

I’m increasingly of the opinion it’s a waiting game. The Russian economy is fucked, they’ve lost an astonishing number of soldiers, much of their gear is old and outdated and morale is awful - a winning fighting force does not need to draft in troops from one of the poorest, most ass-backward nations on earth.

If Ukraine can keep the status quo for another year or so, Trump may be irrelevant -I think the Russian collapse (as in Putin being ousted) will come from out of the blue and be phenomenally quick.

[Oboogie]

If China came to Putin's aid it would be a game changer, but they're much more interested in making money out of the West and colonising Africa.