Mailwatch(ed) Forum

I have some issues with the US’s charges they want Assange extradited on. However, I have a lot more issues with his sexual assault charge in Sweden and his attempt to sabotage Clinton’s election campaign against Trump by working with Putin’s goons.

WikiLeaks as an organisation has done some good. However I increasingly suspect that’s despite Assange being involved rather than as a result of it.

However, I also suspect that he could have done practically anything and Jez would still support him because he ticks all the right boxes for him - anti US, some pro-Russian leanings, claims of oppression and unlawful imprisonment. As usual, Corbyn will have put zero thought into this outside of ‘will it look right to the ‘right’ people if I do this?’

Yes, again illustrating the danger of hero worship and starting to believe your own bullshit.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 19, 2023 10:23 pm I don’t think he is right about Assange, on principle or otherwise.

I'm far from one who thinks people should be able to leak what they like without any fear of sanction, but I wouldn't expect a publisher to get prosecuted. Charges about encouraging leaks or whatever are too broad for me- I'm sure there's been encouragement by journalists who've broken lots of very important leak stories.

I'm a realist though (wink).

‘Journalist’ Assange is a content uploader for hackers and definitely not an editor. Upload stuff that put’s Uncle Sam’s operatives in danger what the fuck do you expect? The Guardian tried to explain why they would only publish public interest stories but Assange went off in a huff. He’s a bit of a simpleton showman like David Icke.

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:21 pm ‘Journalist’ Assange is a content uploader for hackers and definitely not an editor. Upload stuff that put’s Uncle Sam’s operatives in danger what the fuck do you expect? The Guardian tried to explain why they would only publish public interest stories but Assange went off in a huff. He’s a bit of a simpleton showman like David Icke.

Not to mention Saudi dissidents.

A thought has just struck me - in between causes, does he ever find time for constituency work?

I’m sure he’s a good constituency MP. Lots of his campaigning stuff is phoned in.

He’s been in politics so long they probably have an excel spreadsheet they can copy a quote on from a lot of his stuff.

I know someone in Islington North who thought highly of her local MP, he turned up on his bike to protest against the council closing a library. But has never taken tough decisions that piss people off and have to justify them.

Ralph McTell has played Streets of London fewer times than Jez giving his stock answer to every conflict ever.

Somebody please explain to the Stuck Record that these peace conferences come about when either one side realises they're losing heavily and in danger of being destroyed if they don't throw in the towel, or both sides realise that neither side can win and the war would just drag on, wasting lives and money for no purpose.

I don't think Putin's little adventure has reached that stage yet.

Also that they imply some sort of compromise - in this case Putin gets some territory. I don't think the Kiev Rus are going to go for that.
It's essentially giving the aggressor what they want.

What does Corbyn want Ukraine to secede to Russia to achieve ‘conflict resolution?’ Labour missed a death bullet seeing the back of his arse before Russia’s invasion.

Starmer cracking down on those Stop the War MPs ("fighting the left instead of the Tories") was an important moment in the fight back.

Something tells me that Jez's solution to the Russian Civil War wouldn't have been to say to the White Russians, "OK, you lot can have Moscow".

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:04 pm Also that they imply some sort of compromise - in this case Putin gets some territory. I don't think the Kiev Rus are going to go for that.
It's essentially giving the aggressor what they want.

Maybe we could have peace in the Middle East if only Hamas would give Gaza to Israel, what do you reckon Jezza?

I wonder what compromise Jezza would say Sinn Fein should make?

Sinn Fein did make compromises in the peace process. The problem with Jez is that he didn’t see the attempted murder of the British Prime Minister as a barrier to negotiation.

It’s simple. Give the ‘right’ side what they want and the other side has to apologise and go away forever.

It’s not negotiated peace, it’s capitulation based on a view of global politics that was simplistic even when it was current, and it hasn’t been current for nigh-on half a century.

Sunak definitely thinks he’s on to something with these Jez jibes. Could Jez not take one for the team and retire? Who cares about someone having worked for someone retired?

Spend more time on politics, as Jez’s mate Tony Benn put it.

I think you’ll find it’s all they’ve got, they know he is grossly unpopular. Problem is whatever he thinks it will achieve it’s not cutting through, I just think helps Starmer to demonstrate a divide, suppose he wants Starmer to be dismissive of Corbyn as that will annoy Labour’s base but it’s even cut through people like my dad that we can’t have him back. Then again my dad has a brain,he is also a Labour member unlike the likes of Damian from Brighton.