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She must have intended this. I mean, how can you not be suspended for that?

Momentum. Seeing the shadow of the noose...

Interesting to read that party membership currently stands at 373,000 members. That's down quite a bit from the Corbyn peak (I think it passed half a million at one point?), but still a healthy number considering the turmoil & bitterness of recent years.

The Starmer-era fall in membership presumably accounts for why the hard left is suddenly finding itself so comprehensively outnumbered.

373,000 people who can hold a conversation and potentially attract more people in, or 500,000 people, many of whom are determined to close the doors to anyone not as ideologically pure as they are*. Not really a contest.

*Them, their mates, and that activist in the scratty jumper who they fancy.

While Jez’s fan club will suggest this is unpopularity, what it actually suggests is twofold:

1. That without the messiah in charge to provide and atmosphere of cover, many don’t feel safe in the party - and by that I mean safe to hold extreme, unpalatable views
2. None of them can be arsed to fight for what they apparently believe in, nor have sufficient belief to put forward a hard left agenda that the majority would support.

For the latter point, it’s a page straight out of Corbyn’s personal playbook. Why do something that requires effort when you can do nothing and then just complain about everything not being how you want it instead?

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:08 pm While Jez’s fan club will suggest this is unpopularity, what it actually suggests is twofold:

1. That without the messiah in charge to provide and atmosphere of cover, many don’t feel safe in the party - and by that I mean safe to hold extreme, unpalatable views
2. None of them can be arsed to fight for what they apparently believe in, nor have sufficient belief to put forward a hard left agenda that the majority would support.

For the latter point, it’s a page straight out of Corbyn’s personal playbook. Why do something that requires effort when you can do nothing and then just complain about everything not being how you want it instead?

It says a lot about the Cult that for all of the talk about it and all these lost members, nobody has yet set up the 'real' Labour party they claim would be so popular.

I do think there is a bit of a lag on membership as well, Black mentions it and I’ve seen it elsewhere.

davidjay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 24, 2022 12:10 am

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:08 pm While Jez’s fan club will suggest this is unpopularity, what it actually suggests is twofold:

1. That without the messiah in charge to provide and atmosphere of cover, many don’t feel safe in the party - and by that I mean safe to hold extreme, unpalatable views
2. None of them can be arsed to fight for what they apparently believe in, nor have sufficient belief to put forward a hard left agenda that the majority would support.

For the latter point, it’s a page straight out of Corbyn’s personal playbook. Why do something that requires effort when you can do nothing and then just complain about everything not being how you want it instead?

It says a lot about the Cult that for all of the talk about it and all these lost members, nobody has yet set up the 'real' Labour party they claim would be so popular.

Hold the front page

Even now, still trying to mooch in on someone else’s operation rather than set out his own stall I see.

EDIT: also, don’t read the actual article if you’re allergic to obsequious Putin apologism.

I’m afraid I did read the article. A totally false narrative, of course, save for this one flash of self-awareness :

It is an entirely futile exercise to waste time and effort trying to make the Labour Party a force for socialism and anti-imperialism.
We had our chance and we blew it.

Should have spotted that one in 2015, Chris.

Meanwhile Labour have been announcing policies and a platform

Surprised at nationalisation of rail. No great objection, provided expectations of it aren't too great. And of course you need policies the public like.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:40 pm Should have spotted that one in 2015, Chris.

I've only recently realised that Williamson was one of the (very) few Labour politicians to have presided over a formal LAB/CON coalition, whilst leader of Derby City Council fifteen years ago. It's certainly been a wild ride ever since.

Looks like the membership are, as expected, going to vote for PR. I wonder if the Unions will block it again?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... to-back-pr

Dominic Raab, IDS and Steve Baker would all in all likelihood lose their seats even before Labour reach fifty net gains. As would the likes of Theresa Villiers and Alok Sharma.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 10:17 pm

While these are cheering numbers, it’s also slightly insane that 2 years ago we were concerned Johnson could call another election around now and see the Tories in to the mid to late 2020s. When the house of cards goes, it ALL goes.

Excellent, galvanising speech by Keir.

You can tell it’s good by the Jez fanclub Twitter reaction, who seem to have been left making incredibly weak gags and jibes because there’s nothing they can actually complain about.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:46 pm You can tell it’s good by the Jez fanclub Twitter reaction, who seem to have been left making incredibly weak gags and jibes because there’s nothing they can actually complain about.

If Labour manage to get 20+ points ahead in a reputable opinion poll in the near future, the "huh huh, I said Keef" brigade's collective heads will combust.