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Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:38 pm [...] and he gets back in with probably a new intake of even dumber, more compliant MPs.

If they got any dumber you'd have to water the fuckers...

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 3:27 pm

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 2:38 pm [...] and he gets back in with probably a new intake of even dumber, more compliant MPs.

If they got any dumber you'd have to water the fuckers...

Well Johnson already regularly shits on them from a great height and they don’t seem to care, so…

Did Dacre and the Tories think this one through? If Starmer’s handed a FPN he has to resign or Johnson wins (they’re all at it so none of it matters). Johnson then faces the prospect of cheeky-chappy Wes ascending the Labour leadership.

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:47 pm cheeky-chappy Wes

Johnson has, as we all remember, has a different euphemism for people like Wes, he'll be channelling Sgt Major Williams* at the despatch box.

* A homophobic character from It Ain't half Hot Mum**, M'Lud.
** A situation comedy popular in the 1970s, broadcast via the television, MLud.

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:47 pm Did Dacre and the Tories think this one through? If Starmer’s handed a FPN he has to resign or Johnson wins (they’re all at it so none of it matters). Johnson then faces the prospect of cheeky-chappy Wes ascending the Labour leadership.

Doesn't matter.

Labour gets wounded (probably fatally) as Starmer goes and once again, ANOTHER FUCKING INTERNECINE STRUGGLE for power begins. Whilst there's squabbling, Johnson calls snap GE and wins, playing on Labour disunity.

Yep, they've thought it through.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:58 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:47 pm cheeky-chappy Wes

Johnson has, as we all remember, has a different euphemism for people like Wes, he'll be channelling Sgt Major Williams* at the despatch box.

* A homophobic character from It Ain't half Hot Mum**, M'Lud.
** A situation comedy popular in the 1970s, broadcast via the television, MLud.

I was more thinking the Monty Python Military Camp Drill.

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 5:08 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:47 pm Did Dacre and the Tories think this one through? If Starmer’s handed a FPN he has to resign or Johnson wins (they’re all at it so none of it matters). Johnson then faces the prospect of cheeky-chappy Wes ascending the Labour leadership.

Doesn't matter.

Labour gets wounded (probably fatally) as Starmer goes and once again, ANOTHER FUCKING INTERNECINE STRUGGLE for power begins. Whilst there's squabbling, Johnson calls snap GE and wins, playing on Labour disunity.

Yep, they've thought it through.

Looking on the bright side I see.

Tell me I'm wrong, TWA.

If Starmer did resign if found guilty, wouldn't Angela Raynor automatically step into the driving seat? Whether Johnson chanced a general election or not, I reckon she would make mincemeat out of him at the despatch box, or at any debates that he has the bollocks to turn up to. Johnson's buffonery doesn't wash anymore and with rising costs of everything I think Raynor will connect far more with voters who are struggling. But it's early days, so don't panic. Besides, isn't Sue Gray's report still due?

Starmer gave a terrible interview to Sky. Repeated himself, tried the old "I'm celebrating results".

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 7:47 pm Tell me I'm wrong, TWA.

Personally I think looking at this results the Tories aren't going to call an election now secondly If Starmer resigns then Rayner will I believe become leader for the duration, so in any snap election she'll be our leader. This also depends on what Durham Police do if they decide no case to answer then case closed.

Oboogie wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:58 pm

Youngian wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 4:47 pm cheeky-chappy Wes

Johnson has, as we all remember, has a different euphemism for people like Wes, he'll be channelling Sgt Major Williams* at the despatch box.

* A homophobic character from It Ain't half Hot Mum**, M'Lud.
** A situation comedy popular in the 1970s, broadcast via the television, MLud.

Johnson has that demographic in the bag and they wouldn’t even vote Labour if John Wayne was leader. Making cheap homophobic jibes wouldn’t win Johnson any new friends.

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 5:08 pm
Doesn't matter.

Labour gets wounded (probably fatally) as Starmer goes and once again, ANOTHER FUCKING INTERNECINE STRUGGLE for power begins. Whilst there's squabbling, Johnson calls snap GE and wins, playing on Labour disunity.

Yep, they've thought it through.

Will this be a result of the huge supporter rivalry and ideological divides between Rayner, Streeting and Nandy?

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:34 pm

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 7:47 pm Tell me I'm wrong, TWA.

Personally I think looking at this results the Tories aren't going to call an election now secondly If Starmer resigns then Rayner will I believe become leader for the duration, so in any snap election she'll be our leader. This also depends on what Durham Police do if they decide no case to answer then case closed.

All comes down to timing. A quick “no case” - Starmer is OK. A dragged-out process - Johnson may chance his arm but it’s damaging headlines and distractions for free. A fine - Starmer has to resign or be seen as at Johnson’s level. Even if Rayner is temp leader no one will go for a party when they don’t know who’ll be in charge in 6 months - and you absolutely fucking know if it did happen, the left would be choking to install Corbyn 2.0 and wouldn’t be quiet about it either, which would be electoral poison.

It is very, very bad.

On the other hand, if this is all they’ve got it might well be over quickly

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:46 pm All comes down to timing. A quick “no case” - Starmer is OK. A dragged-out process - Johnson may chance his arm but it’s damaging headlines and distractions for free. A fine - Starmer has to resign or be seen as at Johnson’s level. Even if Rayner is temp leader no one will go for a party when they don’t know who’ll be in charge in 6 months - and you absolutely fucking know if it did happen, the left would be choking to install Corbyn 2.0 and wouldn’t be quiet about it either, which would be electoral poison.

It is very, very bad.

Burgon, anybody?

I think I'm off to play with my Bayko*.

* left as an exercise for the student to determine.

Corbyn 2 won't win.

Rayner could deputise and run for election herself, like Margaret Beckett did. Though it would help if the process didn't take 4 months or however long it is.

Johnson can't call another election now, after this shitfest today. What's the reason for it? 80 seat majority not big enough? I can't imagine a lot of the MPs would support it, given they'd be at risk of losing their seats.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:46 pm

The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 8:34 pm

Boiler wrote: ↑Fri May 06, 2022 7:47 pm Tell me I'm wrong, TWA.

Personally I think looking at this results the Tories aren't going to call an election now secondly If Starmer resigns then Rayner will I believe become leader for the duration, so in any snap election she'll be our leader. This also depends on what Durham Police do if they decide no case to answer then case closed.

All comes down to timing. A quick “no case” - Starmer is OK. A dragged-out process - Johnson may chance his arm but it’s damaging headlines and distractions for free. A fine - Starmer has to resign or be seen as at Johnson’s level. Even if Rayner is temp leader no one will go for a party when they don’t know who’ll be in charge in 6 months - and you absolutely fucking know if it did happen, the left would be choking to install Corbyn 2.0 and wouldn’t be quiet about it either, which would be electoral poison.

It is very, very bad.

Yes but that's depending on a lot of things falling into place at once.

Corbyn 2 absolutely won’t win. But the *threat* of Corbyn 2 taking over from a temp leader if Starmer resigned and then Johnson called a snap GE would be a vote winner - but not for Labour.