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Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:09 pm Are Unite members as a whole really happy with this highly paid bloke spending all his time attacking the leader of the opposition?

Starmer didn't commit to a £15 minimum wage. He only said that people fighting for it (in Central London, remember) weren't asking for the earth. Starmer opposed the pay rise by the way, but had to "collect" because it wasn't possible to decline it.

Notice that Beckett always, always neglects to mention that there wouldn’t
even BE a minimum wage if a Labour government hadn’t introduced it.

Here's how Unite members voted last time. Brexit is obviously part of this (though you might wonder what Unite had been doing to make their members understand it was bad). But Curtis goes on to say majority of Unite members actually voted Remain. So we've got, lets say 45% who voted Leave. How many of those get shifted to voting Tory because of it? Not all that many, you'd think. That's still a lot of Tory voting Unite members. How many of them, or the Lib Dem voters, or the Labour voters come to mention it, want more Corbynism?

Never be surprised with how many Union members are Conservatives after all security in the workplace, higher wages etc,

If you want to know who crazy and deranged twitter can be. I want a revolution is trending on twitter all because Keir pointed out that people don't want a revolution but their bills paying.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IWantAR ... head_click

*I want a revolution ".

Okay... then what? Something twattish like, oh I dunno," luxury Communism"?

Twitter has long been a pit of shit with far more influence than it deserves.

Boiler wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:00 am *I want a revolution ".

Soften that terminology that to "we need a major fucking reset", and I think that many would agree.

Labour doing much better in Scotland than before, despite a slight swing to Yes.

Keep this up and they'll win, well, East Lothian as well as Edinburgh South at Westminster. The Lib Dems might well get more than that, on the back of bar chart squeezing of unionists.

Has also been picked up in the Redfield and Wilton national poll which suggests it actually might be more than a blip.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:48 pm Labour doing much better in Scotland than before, despite a slight swing to Yes.

That's very heartening to see. Any sort of revival in Scotland, even if just a modest one, is to be welcomed. I really don't want to see the next non-Tory goverment - whenever & however that happens - to have an SNP knife held to its throat.

I really don't want to see the next non-Tory goverment - whenever & however that happens - to have an SNP knife held to its throat.

If that happened a minority Labour government could go back to the country so the SNP can explain to their electorate why they vote with the Tories.

Yeah, I don't think Labour have to worry too much about that.

There's also a political problem with relying on separatists to get England only legislation through.

A pretty good, even-handed summary of Starmer from former Tory MP Nick Boles. Seems spot on to me.

I'd go with that.

The more desperate the Tories are getting in the attacks, the more Starmer is looking like the next Prime Minister.

The Tories haven’t landed a punch on Starmer. A clever dick lawyer, he didn’t support Brexit and something about Jimmy Savile, hasn’t cut it.

davidjay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:37 pm The more desperate the Tories are getting in the attacks, the more Starmer is looking like the next Prime Minister.

I’ve always said that that is a keystone of Starmer’s long term plan. Phase One : Get the party back from the Trots, re-establish trust with Jewish folk and other groups, proscribe the Trot sects. Phase Two: Establish Starmer in the public’s mind as the next PM in waiting, and Labour as the next government in waiting. Phase Three :Develop a genuinely attractive policy offer/manifesto. Phase Four : Back to government.

Please, please please let this happen. Although I wonder what'll be worth saving of this country by 2024 - it'll be like those utterly rotten wrecks of cars you see on eBay or FB Marketplace that people think are worth something.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:54 pm

davidjay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:37 pm The more desperate the Tories are getting in the attacks, the more Starmer is looking like the next Prime Minister.

I’ve always said that that is a keystone of Starmer’s long term plan. Phase One : Get the party back from the Trots, re-establish trust with Jewish folk and other groups, proscribe the Trot sects. Phase Two: Establish Starmer in the public’s mind as the next PM in waiting, and Labour as the next government in waiting. Phase Three :Develop a genuinely attractive policy offer/manifesto. Phase Four : Back to government.

Yebbut does he think a woman has a penis or not?

Nigredo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 10:41 am

Abernathy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:54 pm

davidjay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:37 pm The more desperate the Tories are getting in the attacks, the more Starmer is looking like the next Prime Minister.

I’ve always said that that is a keystone of Starmer’s long term plan. Phase One : Get the party back from the Trots, re-establish trust with Jewish folk and other groups, proscribe the Trot sects. Phase Two: Establish Starmer in the public’s mind as the next PM in waiting, and Labour as the next government in waiting. Phase Three :Develop a genuinely attractive policy offer/manifesto. Phase Four : Back to government.

Yebbut does he think a woman has a penis or not?

,,,which will be the line of attack everywhere

Well, possibly. As far as your average Joe or Josephine Soap voter is concerned, it's just something else to mark Starmer down as a bit weird. and looney leftie. A much bigger potential problem may be what position the party puts forward on immigration. If you recall, in 2015, the younger Miliband got into frightful hot water over what were actually some fairly modest and humane proposals on immigration. For some bizarre reason, sundry Trots, etc were in particular absolutely frothing at the gash that the party had dared to put "controls on immigration" on one of the party's campaign pledge mugs. I recall Miliband saying at the time that if we didn't talk about immigration, we wouldn't get a hearing on anything else.

Milliband was right, but 2015 was a good example of how the immigration issue can blow up in your face, and requires sensitive treatment. Come the election, the Tories, prompted by Crosby. will be very keen on making immigration a key campaign issue, even if the Rwanda shit goes tits up, as seems likely. Labour really does need to get its policy settled, and be ready for this.