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Especially when a good chunk of the Labour are Commies believers are party members and quite keen on the idea.

RedSparrows wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:51 am

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:54 am

Oblomov wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:37 pm
Yebbut Iraq

Come the inevitable heat death of the universe, the last sound uttered in the vast and infinite cosmos will be this.

I dunno, 'butteremails' might pip it.

I initially read this literally - as in ‘butter emails’, like ‘butterfingers’ - and thought there was a whole new thing that I’d managed to miss entirely!

Same here....

From the States

Traitor Kieth Stands With The 8%!

Or, as I'd put it, Sir Keir Can Do Maths.

More advice for Sir Keir.

Coming soon from the BBC, a brand new drama series. Howard Beckett plays the tough, uncompromising internet gobshite, Monkfish.

I think the government of Dubai might have a thing or two to say about that.

Amazingly enough, Beckett’s bedfellow in calling for the immediate nationalisation of P&O, which is of course not going to happen, is none other than arch-Tory Ian Dale, who seemed to be quite transcendently angry at the ferry operator’s actions on his LBC show last night.

But Beckett’s problem, as usual, is that his call for nationalisation is typically and habitually a knee-jerk reaction . It is advocated by him as the catch-all solution to just about everything. In fact, there are circumstances in which the nationalisation of a company or industry would actually improve nothing, and may even be wholly innappropriate.

To say that this approach undermines Beckett’s credibility somewhat is something of an understatement.

How do you nationalize something somebody doesn't want to sell? As I understand nationalizations before, they were the state taking on something that was failing in the private sector, like regional rail companies or more recently big banks. The previous owners were happy to do a deal for it. What happens if Dubai say "No thanks!" Do we keep upping our price till they bite our hand off and laugh like a drain? Or do we just pay what we want and take it?

Tough uncompromising sollicitor, Howard Monkfish, hasn't heard of breach of contract.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:How do you nationalize something somebody doesn't want to sell? As I understand nationalizations before, they were the state taking on something that was failing in the private sector, like regional rail companies or more recently big banks. The previous owners were happy to do a deal for it. What happens if Dubai say "No thanks!" Do we keep upping our price till they bite our hand off and laugh like a drain? Or do we just pay what we want and take it?

I think that the preferred way would be to seize control. After all, the Jezzarite manual for government clearly states "property is theft", so why not just take it away from the capitalist scum and run it on behalf of the good socialist workers?

I suppose we might pay the market value for P&O, in fairness. But do we do this every time there's an industrial dispute?

Cyclist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 6:52 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:How do you nationalize something somebody doesn't want to sell? As I understand nationalizations before, they were the state taking on something that was failing in the private sector, like regional rail companies or more recently big banks. The previous owners were happy to do a deal for it. What happens if Dubai say "No thanks!" Do we keep upping our price till they bite our hand off and laugh like a drain? Or do we just pay what we want and take it?

I think that the preferred way would be to seize control. After all, the Jezzarite manual for government clearly states "property is theft", so why not just take it away from the capitalist scum and run it on behalf of the good socialist workers?

Isn't seizing another country's assets an act of war?

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:03 pm I suppose we might pay the market value for P&O, in fairness. But do we do this every time there's an industrial dispute?

It would be profitable for the owners to give the company away. Neither the Tories (unusually) or RMT want to talk about the realities as to why P&O Ferries are losing money hand over fist. Here’s a clue; Irish ferry routes to the Continent are booming.

Normally I have little time for Alex Nunns but I saw an account I trust retweet uncritically



What do people on here think?

The Tory “pledge” is nothing more than a vague aspiration to hit the £10.50 minimum wage number in five years time.

Labour has aready correctly dismissed it as “a pathetic attempt to catch up”.

It’s also a transparently cynical political move by the Tories to try and wrongfoot Labour. Starmer is absolutely correct not to fall for it and engage in a phoney Dutch auction with the Tories. I think that by now quite a proportion of voters have realised that the Tories don’t give a fuck about raising living standards for ordinary working people.We ‘ll see what’s in the next Labour election manifesto.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... ge-by-2024

Are Unite members as a whole really happy with this highly paid bloke spending all his time attacking the leader of the opposition?

Starmer didn't commit to a £15 minimum wage. He only said that people fighting for it (in Central London, remember) weren't asking for the earth. Starmer opposed the pay rise by the way, but had to "collect" because it wasn't possible to decline it.

Fuck me.

He never sticks up links, does he?

I've looked this one up. There is a report that says this, by Tax Justice UK. Have a guess how much of the estimated £16bn excess profits come from Serco? £100m. Whether they're excess profits or not, this framing is misleading bollocks aimed at people who think they got £37bn for test and trace.

Beskett has become a sort of ludicrous pantomime Trot. If he ever had the smallest morsel of credibility, it’s surely all gone now.