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Did notice several shots at Corbyn, problem is if that’s all they’ve got then their is a major flaw in fighting the 2019 election in 2024.

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:49 am Did notice several shots at Corbyn, problem is if that’s all they’ve got then their is a major flaw in fighting the 2019 election in 2024.

Wasn’t it pathetic. A two year old diatribe about how you couldn’t trust Labour on security under Corbyn is all Johnson has in the bag. Labour can now go in all guns blazing on Russian oligarch money bankrolling the Tories with credibility now that idiot Corbyn has gone.

Youngian wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:52 am Labour can now go in all guns blazing on Russian oligarch money bankrolling the Tories with credibility now that idiot Corbyn has gone.

With the added help from Johnson himself. His pathetic "sanctions" are little more than a slap on the wrist, and could be spun as a warning to Russian Tory donors to move their liquid assets and lie low for a while.

This stuff just writes itself.

I would like the White House to put on record that it has concerns with the UK governments links to Russia.

C’mon Biden

Check out the reaction BTL to this, from the usual lot. Absolutely juvenile. 6% Greens are very squeezable and 11% Lib Dem base is good for tactical voting.

You'd think this were margin for error or a very modest rally around the flag in a war. Unless you were posting BTL here, and it's a devastating rebuke to Starmer.

Haven't they changed the way the data is interpreted?

Yup from what I read of it they expected those voters to return in 2024 so the Tories are still behind of course if they do what they did in 1997 then it’s a blood bath, which was sit it out.

Thanks, Seb. Labour's position on NATO is popular and right. And there's some useful housekeeping being done.

But, sure, it must be driven by polling. And something about "New Labour", which suggests they'd invade Iraq again- which wouldn't be right or popular. Must be polling-driven.

Payne needs to hope his paperback version is still relevant

There is no reason why Labour should not to be pro nato

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:29 pm Payne needs to hope his paperback version is still relevant

There is no reason why Labour should not to be pro nato

Yebbut Iraq

Oblomov wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:37 pm

mattomac wrote: ↑Wed Mar 02, 2022 12:29 pm Payne needs to hope his paperback version is still relevant

There is no reason why Labour should not to be pro nato

Yebbut Iraq

Is the answer to everything.

Or Syria, where lots of people seem to believe the UK and US did the shit Assad and Putin did.

Oblomov wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:37 pm
Yebbut Iraq

Come the inevitable heat death of the universe, the last sound uttered in the vast and infinite cosmos will be this.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:54 am

Oblomov wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:37 pm
Yebbut Iraq

Come the inevitable heat death of the universe, the last sound uttered in the vast and infinite cosmos will be this.

Uttered by Owen Jones' brain in a lab jar.

Andy McDandy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 8:54 am

Oblomov wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:37 pm
Yebbut Iraq

Come the inevitable heat death of the universe, the last sound uttered in the vast and infinite cosmos will be this.

I dunno, 'butteremails' might pip it.

Those who predicted it would take years to detoxify the party will enjoy reading this article and more than happy to be wrong.

How Keir Starmer Defeated The Left To Seize Control Of The Labour Party

One memorable, if rather bizarre, incident perhaps typifies the marginalisation of the left in the post-Corbyn era.
In November 2020, just days after Starmer had finally secured his NEC majority, a virtual meeting of the ruling body convened to decide who would become its chair. Veteran MP Margaret Beckett, a former foreign secretary who had served as temporary party leader following the death of John Smith in 1994, was seen as the mainstream choice, but was opposed by the left.
The meeting took place barely 48 hours after Starmer had refused to restore the Labour whip to Corbyn over comments he made in response to the Equality and Human Rights Commission’s report into anti-Semitism in the party when he was leader. This meant the left caucus were already spoiling for a fight.
They disapproved of Beckett, arguing that Ian Murray of the Fire Brigades Union should become NEC chair instead. With no hope of carrying the day, 13 of them staged a walkout – a protest which lost a lot of its impact on Zoom. Among the rebels was Unite’s Howard Beckett (no relation), who spent a minute stabbing at his screen trying to remove himself from the meeting while the others on the call looked on dumbfounded.
“Nothing sums up the left’s impotence more than a red-faced Howard trying and failing to hang up,” recalled one eyewitness. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/ ... 86be203a49

Getting rid of the poison inside the machine will be the easy bit. The hard work will be convincing the Labour Are Commies brigade that Corbyn's influence has gone.

Problem is what's the use? Idiots will believe it forever.

It’s convincing those that can be, the rump say 30-35% won’t.

It’s those we don’t want turning out.