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Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 8:31 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
The Weeping Angel wrote: Wed Nov 13, 2024 9:13 pm I've noticed that lots of people I follow on X/Twitter have come out really against convinced that the bill is full of flaws and we'll end up like Canada. Here's a taster.
Someone BTL on the Guardian was telling us that the bill allowed murder of anorexics.

On the plus side, Wes Streeting has burned through a lot of political capital with his antics, and a no doubt not very pleased No.10 has had to clear up after him. I'm more open to NHS reform, as it's called than most, but it shouldn't be in the hands of a young man in a hurry like him.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:29 pm
by mattomac
I find it odd how even protest is privileged.

Niche protest to protect wealth this and VAT on private schools… national newspaper outrage within hours.

Hillsborough and Post Office workers…..

Decades

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:45 pm
by satnav
The media seem tro be happier quoting various interest groups rather than qualified economists.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:59 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Here's Edwin Hayward accusing Labour of politics of envy.


Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:23 am
by Tubby Isaacs
I remember Hayward talking about HS2 a while ago. Spectacular ignorance. It's been very easy to get a following on the basis of Brexit and Tories.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 11:59 am
by Bones McCoy
The Weeping Angel wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 11:59 pm Here's Edwin Hayward accusing Labour of politics of envy.

Notice the cunning transposition of "need" and "really did count on".

* Need: I'll get dangerously cold / hungry without this.
* Count On: I can upgrade the drinks package on my next skiing holiday.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2024 10:44 pm
by mattomac
You see the really tragedy for me is state schools are not to provide proper SEND support and we are still giving what is an effectively a tax break to those already privileged.

That’s the real tragedy but then again people can’t see beyond their narrow upbringings.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:39 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Been disappointed with the universities policy. Glen O'Hara reckons a few hundred million would fend off the crisis- virtually everywhere is laying off teaching staff. Mergers are OK where you've got institutions very close together, but I'd be surprised if that hadn't been explored already. I can see the failures being in working class towns and cities, where places really are engaging locally with kids (and mature students) who wouldn't have otherwise gone to university.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:59 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:39 pm Been disappointed with the universities policy. Glen O'Hara reckons a few hundred million would fend off the crisis- virtually everywhere is laying off teaching staff. Mergers are OK where you've got institutions very close together, but I'd be surprised if that hadn't been explored already. I can see the failures being in working class towns and cities, where places really are engaging locally with kids (and mature students) who wouldn't have otherwise gone to university.
I work for a university and the vice chancellor came to visit and whilst where I am is safe elsewhere they're making cuts.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 3:11 pm
by Bones McCoy
Oh Noes!!

Image

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:17 pm
by Abernathy
Eton increases its fucking fees every year, with nary a cheep of protest from the loaded parents of Rupert, Jeremy, Toby, and Tarquin.

Hypocritical cuntery as ever.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:47 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
Abernathy wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 4:17 pm Eton increases its fucking fees every year, with nary a cheep of protest from the loaded parents of Kwasi, Dillibe, Hamza, Tokunbu or Musa*.
FTFY

*All actual Eton students. Privilege is now global.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 5:12 pm
by Watchman
And I assume that those yearly increases are well beyond the prevailing rate of inflation

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 7:03 pm
by The Weeping Angel
A reminder they're protesting about having to pay half the rate of IHT.


Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:26 pm
by mattomac
Tubby Isaacs wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 12:39 pm Been disappointed with the universities policy. Glen O'Hara reckons a few hundred million would fend off the crisis- virtually everywhere is laying off teaching staff. Mergers are OK where you've got institutions very close together, but I'd be surprised if that hadn't been explored already. I can see the failures being in working class towns and cities, where places really are engaging locally with kids (and mature students) who wouldn't have otherwise gone to university.
It’s very poor and sadly it seemed obvious very early on, ours went very early on sackings and restructuring and judging by what they are paying out on complaints it would suggest they feel a lot better than some others I hear.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:47 pm
by kreuzberger
JSO will be clambering for tractors; a get-out-of-jail-free-car, as it were.

I am wondering whether the landed agri-gammon will be able to pay their IHT with the profits from theirs After all, it's not as if they need them, while they coin it in through yurts on AirBnB and punt the unsold cheeses which didn't make it through Portuguese customs.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:48 pm
by Malcolm Armsteen
"Blood on his hands" eh?

More like "hands on our excessive wealth".

These people are so fucking imbecilic.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:59 pm
by kreuzberger
They think that there is precedent with Steve Bell's "fat blokes united in disgruntlement" and the "highest fuel charges in Europe", which no nobody ever bothered to check, giving the press a free-hit at the Labour government.

Guess what. They certainly were not even close to mainland EU prices.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:31 am
by Youngian
Malcolm Armsteen wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:48 pm "Blood on his hands" eh?

More like "hands on our excessive wealth".

These people are so fucking imbecilic.
I assume that's a reference to Richard Tice's claim that a farmer committed suicide over IHT before it was introduced. As if he's ever campaigned to improve mental health among farmers or anyone else.

Re: Labour Government 2024

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2024 8:57 am
by Malcolm Armsteen
It's a common meme. I remember it being used against Tony Blair when he tried to sort out Thatcher's mess over invalidity benefits.

(The moral here being if you hand in your homework essay on a floppy disc, make sure you've erased your mother's rants against the government first...)