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The Weeping Angel wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:07 am Just asking questions from Sam Coates

But, but...

Wasn't Starmer going to be a part-time Prime Minister's, knocking off at lunchtime on Friday so that Putin had all weekend to invade? Seems to be putting in a hell of a shift.

I can't see any suggestion that these are jollies or parties at the Lebedev villa.

All the while, he's on government business and there's not a peep about Farridge's global strategy of avoiding Clackers.

This tawdry snipe-fest is the apotheosis of what passes for the careers of kipperish Coates and the risible Rigby. The sober interlude of Sky News lulled us in to a false sense of security.

The famously anti-imperial Telegraph has latched on to the Chagos Islanders because some of them can be made to say rash stuff about Overseas Territories being given away. Hilarious.

Fuck off, Wes Streeting. Not on league tables, though lots of people don't like those- I think ultimately you can't deny people information they want, even if there are downsides to publishing it.

But on assisted dying. The idea that the NHS will have to make cuts because of it is disingenuous horseshit. The NHS shifts what it does and how it prioritizes all the time. Nothing special about assisted dying in that respect.

How will letting people go quietly and peacefully at a time of their choosing cost the NHS more than pumping expensive drugs into them to keep them alive as long as possible?

Because the alternative is palliative care, which Streeting and others reckon should be extended and enhanced.

Nobody's saying that shouldn't be improved. How it's enhanced by a load of people living in agony isn't entirely clear. The actual minister directly responsible for palliative care, Stephen Kinnock, is voting for assisted dying.

Per Paul Brand, Streeting has annoyed lots of people with his interventions. Hope that makes it more likely to pass.

Malcolm Armsteen wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 7:17 pm Because the alternative is palliative care, which Streeting and others reckon should be extended and enhanced.

Gold standard palliative care is obviously highly desirable, and is the only argument against assisted dying that I find at all persuasive. Wes is right to aspire to it, but I think that the assertion that legal assisted dying if passed into law will be at the expense of other NHS services is very dubious.

Arguably, assisted dying can be characterised as the ultimate manifestation of palliative care. I think it is fairly widely recognised that medical professionals can, and do, sometimes ease the passing of some patients at their life’s end by means of “accidental” overdoses of pain relieving drugs. It was even good enough for King George V.

https://www.britannica.com/story/how-di ... really-die

If Streeting is making these budgetary claims, he must presumably have done the sums. His workings should be interesting.

Is he a godist, does anyone know?

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:47 pm If Streeting is making these budgetary claims, he must presumably have done the sums. His workings should be interesting.

Is he a godist, does anyone know?

Funny you should say that...

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:45 pm Arguably, assisted dying can be characterised as the ultimate manifestation of palliative care. I think it is fairly widely recognised that medical professionals can, and do, sometimes ease the passing of some patients at their life’s end by means of “accidental” overdoses of pain relieving drugs. It was even good enough for King George V.

https://www.britannica.com/story/how-di ... really-die

I'm not quite sure how DNR notices fit into this legally but they've been common practice for years.

I've noticed that lots of people I follow on X/Twitter have come out really against convinced that the bill is full of flaws and we'll end up like Canada. Here's a taster.

Abernathy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 8:45 pm Arguably, assisted dying can be characterised as the ultimate manifestation of palliative care. I think it is fairly widely recognised that medical professionals can, and do, sometimes ease the passing of some patients at their life’s end by means of “accidental” overdoses of pain relieving drugs. It was even good enough for King George V.

https://www.britannica.com/story/how-di ... really-die

I heard or read something recently that suggested that, post-Shipman, this is no longer commonplace. A postmortem would almost instantly show up the presence of large quantities of pain relieving medication.

Moreover, I will be pretty frustrated if and when my last actions on this planet necessitate gaming the system.

Oh look



James Melville is behind these lot.

Sheriff off Blazing Saddles.

No farmers.
No food.
No fucking black plastic bale wrap in every river and blowing across every field, moor, and road. So there is that.

I look forward to blockading farmers getting banged up for five years and tabloid condemnation for anyone holding the country to ransom

So, we have the agri-gammon in tears over being asked to pay tax along with other asset transferrers in order to plug the budgetary hole left by the party they voted for and, in part, to address the economic clusterfuck that they cheered for.

Now they are threatening to boycott supermarket deliveries and block the highways with their tractors, causing considerably more mayhem than the JSO protestors who are sitting in jail. "Two-tier justice" arguments coming back to the fore?

One of the issues with JSO is that they kept committing offences on bail, sometimes filming themselves, and telling the judge they'd do it again. They might as well have appeared in court wearing a suit with arrows painted on. Farmers will get treated more leniently just for swerving that stuff.

But it'll be interesting, indeed.