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In a more Shakespearian bent, I suspect Sunak and his team realised they'd reached the "sit on the ground and tell sad stories" point.

Downing Street clarified that Rishi’s speech ‘Isn’t the Single Market brilliant?’ he didn’t mean Britain where it is very bad.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 9:47 am

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:51 pm I think the Tories, after this development, are in with much more of a shout than they were. It could be a significant day.

I think 3 things are in play here:
1. What the Tories gain in sensible people breathing a sigh of relief that they’re not out to restart the troubles anymore just to appease the ERG headbangers, they will lose in xenophobes who will drift back to Farage or worse.
2. Johnson - not only denied a Sunak collapse that would give him a way back in, but also humiliated by his law-busting bill being killed off - won’t be able to resist some sort of revenge act, and will have no qualms about collateral damage to the party
3. You can’t pay frighteningly high utility bills with a revised NI agreement, or substitute it for tomatoes in a cheap meal - people’s everyday woes will be foremost in their mind when they vote, and even people in NI will be aware that this is a step to fixing what they wilfully vandalised rather than something new or better

I think Farage and Faragism is a busted flush. See Parliamentary by-elections, the Reform Party can't win an egg and spoon race.

How does Bozo come back from here? The NI Protocol was the most promising thing to kick up a row over, as he still might, but it's not going to get him anywhere. I can't remember who said it on Twitter, but what else is there? UK joining Horizon? The number of "Continuity Brexiters" now is tiny.

Yeah, cost of living remains extremely difficult for the government, but their intervention has been pretty major (if badly targeted in my view). They've more chance to sell that if they aren't pissing about all the time with Europe.

Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:05 pm I think Farage and Faragism is a busted flush. See Parliamentary by-elections, the Reform Party can't win an egg and spoon race.

How does Bozo come back from here? The NI Protocol was the most promising thing to kick up a row over, as he still might, but it's not going to get him anywhere. I can't remember who said it on Twitter, but what else is there? UK joining Horizon? The number of "Continuity Brexiters" now is tiny.

Yeah, cost of living remains extremely difficult for the government, but their intervention has been pretty major (if badly targeted in my view). They've more chance to sell that if they aren't pissing about all the time with Europe.

I’d love Farage to be a busted flush, but never underestimate some people’s xenophobia and that fag-stained twat’s ability to cash in on it. Especially if you can throw in a PM who isn’t white.

Does Bozo come back? No, not now. But that I think makes him more dangerous for the Tories, not less. Because he is vindictive, petty, small-minded and narcissistic. He was going to sell Channel 4 because of 1 mild joke at his expense in 1 programme that made no difference to his election win. He would *absolutely* destroy the Conservative Party if he thought at the end of it it would mean Sunak was turfed out of No. 10.

And not pissing about with Europe is a double-edged sword. Because if you want to continue to be on better terms, you can’t keep blaming them for everything either.

Crabcakes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 28, 2023 5:14 pm

I’d love Farage to be a busted flush, but never underestimate some people’s xenophobia and that fag-stained twat’s ability to cash in on it. Especially if you can throw in a PM who isn’t white.

Does Bozo come back? No, not now. But that I think makes him more dangerous for the Tories, not less. Because he is vindictive, petty, small-minded and narcissistic. He was going to sell Channel 4 because of 1 mild joke at his expense in 1 programme that made no difference to his election win. He would *absolutely* destroy the Conservative Party if he thought at the end of it it would mean Sunak was turfed out of No. 10.

And not pissing about with Europe is a double-edged sword. Because if you want to continue to be on better terms, you can’t keep blaming them for everything either.

I take the last point though Sunak has the angle that he got a good deal because he was "tough". There's a market for that stuff, but far less for Faragism, I think. Farage without a big issue (leaving the EU, for which Cameron set him up perfectly) is a GB News twat, boring on about the World Economic Forum and vaccines. And there's nobody else who can do what he did under the Coalition.

Bozo won't matter enough, and I think he'll focus on international grifting.

- How's Wales going? I like Wales. Voted for Brexit.
- We're sweeping the board in Powys, Prime Minister
(Actually, the Lib Dems could win Brecon and Radnor).

I’d love Farage to be a busted flush, but never underestimate some people’s xenophobia and that fag-stained twat’s ability to cash in on it. Especially if you can throw in a PM who isn’t white.

Sunak is also a metropolitan Tory like George Osbourne, out of touch with daily economic realities (that will advantage Labour) and disinterested in ‘the legitimate concerns of ordinary people’ (concerns of racist wankers).

Michael Howard was among the on message Tories telling us that Sunak is the most brilliant negotiating statesman ever. What an insult to those who negotiated and produced the GFA. Delighted Blue wall Remainer Tories are on LBC completely oblivious to 13 years of misery and disaster on every level that Sunak approved of every step of the way. Labour can’t drop the vase even once but the Tories only have to pick up some pieces of the vases they smashed and they’re back in business.

I think it’s puzzled a few people.

It came out of nowhere, most people thought it had been done anyhow.

Sunak’s boat plan has been published. If it was this simple, what was the point of giving Rwanda all that money?

I’m glad they usually only leave it a week between showing what cnuts they are.

Claims that Sunak is the most brilliant statesman since Palmerston haven’t cut through

Another day, another drop for Labour

And they're still a gazillion points higher than The Anointed One ever managed.

Average poll lead is 20 points apparently. If Sunak isn’t going to save their seats anyway, could there be more opposition from the backbench loons?

Youngian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:00 pm Claims that Sunak is the most brilliant statesman since Palmerston haven’t cut through

We’d still be stuck with Bill Wiggin on those numbers, though with tactical voting, who knows?

Fuck me....that lectern!!!!!!

Yeah pathetic. If I got him one with “End Rough Sleeping”, would they do that?

"Stop The Steal" to "Stop The Boats". Wasn't much of a leap, was it?

kreuzberger wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 8:27 pm "Stop The Steal" to "Stop The Boats". Wasn't much of a leap, was it?

"Send Them Back" will be a shorter leap.