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Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2021 5:05 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:12 pm
by Spoonman
Time for another round up of "
'murica"...
First off, Tr*mp has announced that he's suing Facebook, Twitter et al...
...meanwhile more on the usual suspects and alleged certain foreign ties...
(for the record, Rudy has also had his licence to practice law in Washington DC suspended)
...finally, top it all off with typical batshittery!
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 8:34 pm
by The Weeping Angel
If only more states were more like California.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:17 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
The Republicans used to win lots of the wealthier states till Bill Clinton. Bush Snr won New Jersey by 13% and Maryland by 2% (despite one of the highest black populations). Biden got double Trump's vote in Maryland this time.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:20 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Virginia has been a remarkable shift too. Bush Jnr in 2004 beat Kerry by 8%. Biden beat Trump by 10%.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:54 pm
by The Weeping Angel
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:20 pm
Virginia has been a remarkable shift too. Bush Jnr in 2004 beat Kerry by 8%. Biden beat Trump by 10%.
I can see a couple of other southern states going the way of Virginia as well such as North Carolina and Georgia.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:40 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
North Carolina keeps disappointing. I thought Biden and Cunningham would win. Georgia I didn't see coming.
Forget what I say, really.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 1:09 pm
by The Weeping Angel
If Cunningham hadn't got caught up in a sexting scandal he would have won. North Carolina did see the Democrats gain two house seats and got the Democratic governor re-elected.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:33 pm
by Arrowhead
Arizona and Texas are both experiencing enormous shifts in their underlying demographics, especially Arizona which is seeing a lot of people moving there from California and bringing their liberal voting habits with them. Both are at about the same stage that California was circa 1990. Texas may well turn blue by the end of this decade, hence the disgraceful voter suppression tactics being adopted there by the GOP.
Colorado and Virginia have both turned reliably Dem in the past ten years too, and Georgia looks to be going the same way now that the massive Atlanta metro area finally seems to have outnumbered the ultra-conservative rural populations.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 4:37 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Trump did surprisingly well with Hispanics this time. In Texas, Republican governors have had a Hispanic following because they get well known on Spanish language media. But not sure they'd properly gone after Hispanics in presidential elections because they hadn't needed them. This time they did.
Hopefully Democrats can address this and it's not part of a trend.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 5:58 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
White with college degrees voters seem to be pretty equal, with probably Biden just ahead.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... -religion/
Not all that much change from 2016 really. I'd be surprised if the Democrats were winning them in Texas or North Carolina. Bit of an opportunity there, I reckon.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:50 am
by The Weeping Angel
From the world's mayor to drunken uncle.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/ ... trump-book
A drunken Rudy Giuliani repeatedly urged Donald Trump to “just say we won” on election night last November, according to a new book, even as key states started to slip away from the president and defeat by Joe Biden drew near.
The former mayor of New York was then acting as Trump’s personal attorney, a role in which he had fueled Trump’s first impeachment and would later lead hapless attempts to prove Trump’s lie that his defeat was the result of electoral fraud.
According to Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker of the Washington Post, authors of the forthcoming I Alone Can Fix It: Donald J Trump’s Catastrophic Final Year, Giuliani approached senior Trump aides early on election night at the White House.
“What’s happening in Michigan?” he asked.
The campaign manager, Bill Stepien, chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and senior adviser Jason Miller told him it was too early to know.
“Just say we won,” Giuliani said.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:38 pm
by Arrowhead
I’m struggling to think of a politician whose reputation has collapsed furthest in recent years than Giuliani. From hard-but-fair Conservative sensiblehead to gibbering, incoherent imbecile inside just a few short years. A staggering decline.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:43 pm
by Andy McDandy
His corporate approach to running New York (broken windows, clean up the centre, doughnut effect etc) was superficially fine, as long as you're not one of the groups he's decided are cluttering up his nice city centre. Bit like Trump in that regard. Not surprising that they got together.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:32 pm
by MisterMuncher
His reputation was always built on sand. Broken windows was bullshit from top to bottom, the reduction in street level crime having rather more to do with an economic upturn (and sustained via gentrification) than any particular policing success. Post 9/11, all he had to do was look more decisive and resolute than Dubya.
It's not so much a fall from grace as reversion to type.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:13 pm
by Arrowhead
This extraordinary tweet had me spilling the proverbial coffee over the keyboard this morning. For those who haven't been following, Senator Sinema is currently refusing to tweak the existing filibuster rules in the U.S. Senate, meaning that vital voter protection legislation is doomed to fail.............including the John Lewis Voting Rights Act
As others have pointed out, Senator Sinema appears to have succeeded in gaslighting herself.
The Labour equivalent would be somebody like Caroline Flint filling her 2019 Twitter feed with "It's Still Not Too Late To Prevent Brexit" memes whilst simultaneously voting repeatedly for Theresa May's wretched Brexit deal.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:11 pm
by Tubby Isaacs
Manchin's stuff sort of makes sense given where he represents. But I don't get Sinema at all. Mark Kelly, also of Arizona, who faces re-election in 2022 hasn't gone there at all.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2021 10:49 pm
by Arrowhead
Tubby Isaacs wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:11 pm
Manchin's stuff sort of makes sense given where he represents. But I don't get Sinema at all. Mark Kelly, also of Arizona, who faces re-election in 2022 hasn't gone there at all.
I suspect Sinema fancies herself as the new McCain, which sort of makes sense given the Arizona connection i.e. straight-talking political maverick who often drives her own supporters around the bend whilst gaining the respect of the wider electorate. I'm sure I read somewhere that Sinema is currently polling very well in Arizona amongst independents and Conservatives (presumably Never Trumpers), so perhaps the approach is paying off. If it works, she could still be in the Senate thirty years from now.
I have a certain amount of sympathy for Manchin & Sinema in as much that the filibuster will have undoubtedly seen off some very scary Republican proposals over the years. But the apparent lack of a Plan B looks appalling right now, hence the widespread incredulous reaction to the Sinema tweet.
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:35 am
by The Weeping Angel
Re: Over in America...
Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:27 am
by Bones McCoy
I know little about the mechanics of American citizenship.
This one looks like "equality, but in a bad way".